Wormholes

I understand whats being proposed here... Opening up opportunity for pvp...

I think this change isnt in the historical spirit of the game as I see it... Traditionally eve has many dynamics which have the earmarks of rewarding diligence and penalizing lazyness. In that regard, if you're diligent about watching probes or dscan or the sensor overlay for new sigs then you get the security that the vigilance affords you.

This proposed change seems to work against that. Now there's nothing I can do to know I'm about to get jumped if i conduct some activity in my wh that could put me at risk.

This in conjunction with the reality that many wormhole corps are small means the large preying on the small will be more effective at delivering a negative game-play experience for those folks just scraping by

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I feel like whats trying to be done here is to make rolling for pvp more enjoyable by improving the odds at rewards... Because this activity is notorious for being boring. Could we consider that this activity isnt as ideal for enjoyment as some other techniques to provoke pvp?

You know... like invading to provoke a fight

I think really what this is, is opening up more opportunities for ganks, when what should be being considered is how to bring more balanced long-lasting good fights that I think most people would agree are more exciting and rewarding than catching some small group of scrubs with their pants down

Oh wouldn't it be grand if everyone in W-space could drop a 30 man t3 fleet on a target? Everyone would roll around making mad dosh, flying superexpensive ships and not caring if they lose them. From the newest player in a WH to the oldest, easy isk, ships come easy and go easy, and nothing ever matters.

Well you can. And I can. And a lot of the largest c5 and c6 corps can.

But to blanket tell everyone that disagrees with the idea that they need to HTFU and accept their unforeseeable, uncounterable ganking as a product of what you believe is the "spirit of Wspace" is just silly.

People in lower level WH's that get repeatedly ganked without counterplay don't HTFU and magically become competent c5/c6 corps. They either quit, or they leave WH space, or they leave their corp to join one of said c5/c6 corp with enough firepower and a scary enough name to deter gankers with fewer numbers than their own blob group. Then their old corp withers because of a lack of competent players.

I'm really not seeing you as a great representative of the WH community if your only response to peoples concerns outside of c5/6 blobs is "HTFU noob, my playstyle, my way, only way"

This change doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I could see taking away sensor overlay in general, but there's no plausible explanation as to why your active probing wouldn't be able to detect a signature that's in active use. We are flying spaceships here, but I like to see a certain degree of realism maintained in my fantasy.

This change seems like it would only benefit aggressors who already have the advantage of piling into a new system on short notice. It simply stacks the odds increasingly in their favor by circumventing the active vigilance of people seeking to avoid a fight; something they are doing quite legitimately.

People pressing for this change are basically asking for handicap so they can gank. Want to drop on someone faster? Accept the risk of having less time to scout and weigh the odds of your success. I think that's really the balance answer here: a change in play style of the aggressive party. But nobody is doing it because they fear losing ships!

I don't really see that happening. Log off gangs are just better when you have a given target you have intel on and want to hit, particularly in C6 space due to the relative ease of finding a particular hole. Rolling gangs can still be very effective currently, and will be successful against people who aren't paying attention or are doing something wrong, which is exactly the kind of people who SHOULD be dying.

I want to make a longer post.

Laziness is a huge factor. Spamming probes is not all it is cracked up to be and there are plenty of times where someone doesn't do it as often as they should, or goes AFK, or is dumb and decides to run shorthanded and second clients the scout.

I think even going back to the spamming probes method is a huge improvement because it forces activity out of the farming fleet. And as everyone in this thread knows there's plenty of opportunities that happen in those seconds before a button push. I think there's pros and cons to going further than that, but at a minimum that is where the conversation should start.

The status quo isn't good for wormholes.

Still reading the thread, but this resonates with me pretty strongly.

If somebody is lazy, or unskilled, or messes up, then that's the time when they should be ganked. If somebody is paying attention then there's an opportunity for both sides to have a fight they will enjoy, rather than stacking the cards to one side in order to allow large groups to gank smaller ones.

Disable sig overlay and D-Scan. Problem solved.

Are you suggesting disabling D-Scan in wormholes?

Not sure if trolling about removing D-scan in a place with no local or just really really batty.