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Mario Putzo
#1101 - 2014-03-21 22:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Kazanir wrote:
You appear to have discovered that people mostly rat in areas with the truesec to warrant it. Good job.


Thats because they are to cowardly to take ships that can make bank out into space. After all if people are going to awox mining barges, what will they do to a 2B Mach.

Bring more apologists.

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1102 - 2014-03-21 22:13:56 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Thats because they are to cowardly to take ships that can make bank out into space. After all if people are going to awox mining barges, what will they do to a 2B Mach.

you have an impressive schitzoform disorder and appear to just mix phrases together and hope they come up with a coherent thought but no, people don't rat in **** trusec because you don't make bank there, you make "bank" in high-trusec systems where you spawn good anoms

you have failed yet again to comprehend how anything works at all

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1103 - 2014-03-21 22:14:38 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.

You can't tax plexing or mining, currently. How do we get SRP from these activities, pray tell?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Mario Putzo
#1104 - 2014-03-21 22:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Querns wrote:
Also, Goonswarm Federation has no rights to rat in any of that space. Also, Paragon Soul and Omist aren't even held by CFC entities.

Also, colors on Dotlan indicating amount of ratting being done are relative to the largest value in that region.

Also, mining does not show up on dotlan. Plexing also shows very poorly, but you should know that because you ninjarun plexes in our space. Oh wait, you haven't proven that yet.


Yet when you linked it a little bit ago it was concrete evidence of activity. Come on Goonie your mind tricks don't work on me, I am immune to the koolaid.

Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.

You can't tax plexing or mining, currently. How do we get SRP from these activities, pray tell?


Ask for donations. SRP is for bads and breeds a culture of poorly skilled pilots. Probably why everyone is afraid to go more than 3 jumps from a station, and why lames like Xexexe lose shitfit Ishtars to Inties.
Kazanir
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1105 - 2014-03-21 22:14:51 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Kazanir wrote:
You appear to have discovered that people mostly rat in areas with the truesec to warrant it. Good job.


Thats because they are to cowardly to take ships that can make bank out into space. After all if people are going to awox mining barges, what will they do to a 2B Mach.

Bring more apologists.

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.


No, you didn't understand my post. I am saying that there is plenty of ratting in the parts of those regions where the TRUE SECURITY of the space justifies it. Do you know what truesec is?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1106 - 2014-03-21 22:15:20 UTC
the reason that people don't rat in -0.01 trusec in mario putzo's mind is apparently they don't realize they'll make bank undocking a ship there

not that it wouldn't be worth it ever because the anoms are ****

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1107 - 2014-03-21 22:17:00 UTC
Kazanir wrote:

No, you didn't understand my post. I am saying that there is plenty of ratting in the parts of those regions where the TRUE SECURITY of the space justifies it. Do you know what truesec is?

i'm going to save you a lot of time and tell you with 100% certainty that he does not

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1108 - 2014-03-21 22:17:15 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Querns wrote:
Also, Goonswarm Federation has no rights to rat in any of that space. Also, Paragon Soul and Omist aren't even held by CFC entities.

Also, colors on Dotlan indicating amount of ratting being done are relative to the largest value in that region.

Also, mining does not show up on dotlan. Plexing also shows very poorly, but you should know that because you ninjarun plexes in our space. Oh wait, you haven't proven that yet.


Yet when you linked it a little bit ago it was concrete evidence of activity. Come on Goonie your mind tricks don't work on me, I am immune to the koolaid.

It's concrete evidence of activity in Deklein, the only region Goonswarm Federation line members are allowed to use to earn money. Other regions are irrelevant to this discussion; we can't control how others in the coalition use their space and, frankly, don't care as long as they are participating in strategic ops and don't sell supercaps to our enemies.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#1109 - 2014-03-21 22:18:38 UTC
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.

You can't tax plexing or mining, currently. How do we get SRP from these activities, pray tell?


Corp tax to the alliance?

UI Improvement Collective

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1110 - 2014-03-21 22:20:16 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.

You can't tax plexing or mining, currently. How do we get SRP from these activities, pray tell?


Corp tax to the alliance?

This works for anomalies, but falls short for mining and plexing.

For mining, most people, currently, rorq compress and jump their stuff to lowsec for perfect refines. This may change with the changes being outlined here, however!

For plexing, the majority of the value is in the deadspace drops at the end of the complex, which are sold on the market and as such are untaxable.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Mario Putzo
#1111 - 2014-03-21 22:20:30 UTC
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Querns wrote:
Also, Goonswarm Federation has no rights to rat in any of that space. Also, Paragon Soul and Omist aren't even held by CFC entities.

Also, colors on Dotlan indicating amount of ratting being done are relative to the largest value in that region.

Also, mining does not show up on dotlan. Plexing also shows very poorly, but you should know that because you ninjarun plexes in our space. Oh wait, you haven't proven that yet.


Yet when you linked it a little bit ago it was concrete evidence of activity. Come on Goonie your mind tricks don't work on me, I am immune to the koolaid.

It's concrete evidence of activity in Deklein, the only region Goonswarm Federation line members are allowed to use to earn money. Other regions are irrelevant to this discussion; we can't control how others in the coalition use their space and, frankly, don't care as long as they are participating in strategic ops and don't sell supercaps to our enemies.


Wait so only Deklein matters in a discussion on why 0.0 needs to have its mineral procurement buffed, and why lowsec and highsec are seeing arbitrary changes to mineral procurement.

Well lati da. look at that. It is a Goon problem afterall. Who cares about the rest of EVEs regions as long as Deklein is making bank.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1112 - 2014-03-21 22:22:05 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:

Wait so only Deklein matters in a discussion on why 0.0 needs to have its mineral procurement buffed, and why lowsec and highsec are seeing arbitrary changes to mineral procurement.

Well lati da. look at that. It is a Goon problem afterall. Who cares about the rest of EVEs regions as long as Deklein is making bank.

we're not discussing the change right now, we are discussing your incoherent babble

what is relevant to the change and what is relevant to mario putzo's house of crazy are two very different things

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1113 - 2014-03-21 22:22:51 UTC
i will admit however you are utterly immune to mind tricks

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Mario Putzo
#1114 - 2014-03-21 22:24:16 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Wait so only Deklein matters in a discussion on why 0.0 needs to have its mineral procurement buffed, and why lowsec and highsec are seeing arbitrary changes to mineral procurement.

Well lati da. look at that. It is a Goon problem afterall. Who cares about the rest of EVEs regions as long as Deklein is making bank.

we're not discussing the change right now, we are discussing your incoherent babble

what is relevant to the change and what is relevant to mario putzo's house of crazy are two very different things


You might not be but i have been discussing what merits this change the whole time.

Nothing warrants it. CFC and N3/PL don't use the space they have currently. So why should Low Sec and High Sec take a hit because Null Sec alliances refuse to use what they have?
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1115 - 2014-03-21 22:24:37 UTC
You'd have to have a functioning mind for it to be eligible for trickery, I suppose.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Fredric Wolf
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1116 - 2014-03-21 22:25:35 UTC
I just want to know why this is all a big "CFC conspiracy" to make hi sec suffer when PL and N3 own a large portion of space and possibly mine more in their area as it is deathly quiet to roaming people.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1117 - 2014-03-21 22:26:41 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Wait so only Deklein matters in a discussion on why 0.0 needs to have its mineral procurement buffed, and why lowsec and highsec are seeing arbitrary changes to mineral procurement.

Well lati da. look at that. It is a Goon problem afterall. Who cares about the rest of EVEs regions as long as Deklein is making bank.

we're not discussing the change right now, we are discussing your incoherent babble

what is relevant to the change and what is relevant to mario putzo's house of crazy are two very different things


You might not be but i have been discussing what merits this change the whole time.

Nothing warrants it. CFC and N3/PL don't use the space they have currently. So why should Low Sec and High Sec take a hit because Null Sec alliances refuse to use what they have?

It's funny because the change is targeted at curbing module compression, and apparently no one but nullsec people used that. You couldn't use it to, say, compress minerals to ship into lowsec to build capitals, or anything like that.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Mario Putzo
#1118 - 2014-03-21 22:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Fredric Wolf wrote:
I just want to know why this is all a big "CFC conspiracy" to make hi sec suffer when PL and N3 own a large portion of space and possibly mine more in their area as it is deathly quiet to roaming people.


They don't mine either, nor do they use their space. They like CFC live on Moongoo and Rental income. Source I went through there yesterday...no Nexus chips though because CCP hates SOE. Its an arbitrary change so CCP can say hey look we did something.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1119 - 2014-03-21 22:30:08 UTC
The point here is even if you take out any real or alleged nullsec bias in regards to killing scrap metal refines, there are still plenty of good reasons to do it.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#1120 - 2014-03-21 22:30:52 UTC
Querns wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.

You can't tax plexing or mining, currently. How do we get SRP from these activities, pray tell?


Corp tax to the alliance?

This works for anomalies, but falls short for mining and plexing.

For mining, most people, currently, rorq compress and jump their stuff to lowsec for perfect refines. This may change with the changes being outlined here, however!

For plexing, the majority of the value is in the deadspace drops at the end of the complex, which are sold on the market and as such are untaxable.


Then you need to get a system in place that collects the minerals/ores and tax them according to their value. Shouldn't be too hard for an entity with your capacities.
I, however, was more referring to that corps pay taxes (sort of membership fees) to the alliance. It's not unheard of, has been used in the past already and it is up to the corps to organize the taxation of things that you named. For miners the minerals/ores are collected by the corp and taxed as described, for ratters and plexers their bounty tax should be enough to pay their chunk.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.