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Dev Blog: Reprocess all the things!

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1081 - 2014-03-21 21:31:29 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

And Baltec, that battleship comparison was the most stupid thing I have yet seen you come out with, a unfitted BS on a gate in null compared to a unfitted BS in Jita on a gate. If it was a bing fitted BS they are likely do die much faster in Jita, you Goons are losing it if you come out with pap like that!


So, according to this post, because a completely different situation (a "bing" fitted BS afk on a gate) might play out differently, the original situation (unfit BS afk on a gate) is invalid. Brilliant!

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1082 - 2014-03-21 21:33:46 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
it is true, an eve full of mario putzos would not need balancing because nobody would be able to figure out what the best thing was and do that


Generally you have to actually do something in order to do it. You know like actually mining asteroids in order to get the minerals. But I know I know bad isk/hr, so lets reduce that isk/hr everywhere else while not increasing it at all in the apparent problem area. Good Fix to a non-existant problem guys!.

The funny thing about your posts is that we actually do mine in nullsec. Need proof?

https://zkillboard.com/region/10000035/group/543/ <--- exhumer losses in Deklein.
https://zkillboard.com/region/10000035/group/463/ <--- mining barges lost in Dekein.

"Proof" is a thing your posts tend to lack, FYI. Anecdotes are not the same thing.

Even with thousands of exhumer and barge losses, we still apparently need to import minerals from highsec. I wonder why that might be?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1083 - 2014-03-21 21:34:53 UTC
Querns wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

And Baltec, that battleship comparison was the most stupid thing I have yet seen you come out with, a unfitted BS on a gate in null compared to a unfitted BS in Jita on a gate. If it was a bing fitted BS they are likely do die much faster in Jita, you Goons are losing it if you come out with pap like that!


So, according to this post, because a completely different situation (a "bing" fitted BS afk on a gate) might play out differently, the original situation (unfit BS afk on a gate) is invalid. Brilliant!


Nice try, but just as lame as that first comment!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Mario Putzo
#1084 - 2014-03-21 21:35:05 UTC
Querns wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

And Baltec, that battleship comparison was the most stupid thing I have yet seen you come out with, a unfitted BS on a gate in null compared to a unfitted BS in Jita on a gate. If it was a bing fitted BS they are likely do die much faster in Jita, you Goons are losing it if you come out with pap like that!


So, according to this post, because a completely different situation (a "bing" fitted BS afk on a gate) might play out differently, the original situation (unfit BS afk on a gate) is invalid. Brilliant!


Because people do missions and plexes in unfit ships. Come on GSF are these the best posters you got?
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1085 - 2014-03-21 21:36:25 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Querns wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

And Baltec, that battleship comparison was the most stupid thing I have yet seen you come out with, a unfitted BS on a gate in null compared to a unfitted BS in Jita on a gate. If it was a bing fitted BS they are likely do die much faster in Jita, you Goons are losing it if you come out with pap like that!


So, according to this post, because a completely different situation (a "bing" fitted BS afk on a gate) might play out differently, the original situation (unfit BS afk on a gate) is invalid. Brilliant!


Because people do missions and plexes in unfit ships. Come on GSF are these the best posters you got?

You've confused the vignettes again, please re-read and try again.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1086 - 2014-03-21 21:37:27 UTC
Oh, sorry.

Quote:

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1. a brief evocative description, account, or episode.
2. a small illustration or portrait photograph that fades into its background without a definite border.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Mario Putzo
#1087 - 2014-03-21 21:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
it is true, an eve full of mario putzos would not need balancing because nobody would be able to figure out what the best thing was and do that


Generally you have to actually do something in order to do it. You know like actually mining asteroids in order to get the minerals. But I know I know bad isk/hr, so lets reduce that isk/hr everywhere else while not increasing it at all in the apparent problem area. Good Fix to a non-existant problem guys!.

The funny thing about your posts is that we actually do mine in nullsec. Need proof?

https://zkillboard.com/region/10000035/group/543/ <--- exhumer losses in Deklein.
https://zkillboard.com/region/10000035/group/463/ <--- mining barges lost in Dekein.

"Proof" is a thing your posts tend to lack, FYI. Anecdotes are not the same thing.

Even with thousands of exhumer and barge losses, we still apparently need to import minerals from highsec. I wonder why that might be?


Only proof here is that GSF can't secure even their home region, and have a lot of bad pilots. Hey guys we lose a lot of ships in our home region, so obviously HS needs a nerf. No no its not our fault for being bad and having terrible pilots who die to interceptors in our home region of space!

Not sure what you are trying to prove other than the fact you guys can't provide security and lack the initiative to do so. But hey lets blame it on HS having Concord and claiming it is infinitely safer despite doing nothing to prevent it.

You should go ask Mittani for some more talking points yours have become laughably stale.

"Hey guys we need to import lowends from High Sec, Ya we export Highends, but its not the same!"
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#1088 - 2014-03-21 21:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
it is true, an eve full of mario putzos would not need balancing because nobody would be able to figure out what the best thing was and do that


Generally you have to actually do something in order to do it. You know like actually mining asteroids in order to get the minerals. But I know I know bad isk/hr, so lets reduce that isk/hr everywhere else while not increasing it at all in the apparent problem area. Good Fix to a non-existant problem guys!.

The funny thing about your posts is that we actually do mine in nullsec. Need proof?

https://zkillboard.com/region/10000035/group/543/ <--- exhumer losses in Deklein.
https://zkillboard.com/region/10000035/group/463/ <--- mining barges lost in Dekein.

"Proof" is a thing your posts tend to lack, FYI. Anecdotes are not the same thing.

Even with thousands of exhumer and barge losses, we still apparently need to import minerals from highsec. I wonder why that might be?


You don't mine enough?

Btw. as stated before, you should also stop killing your own barges with your own people. That might also be a reason why you still need to import. Roll

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Opner Dresden
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#1089 - 2014-03-21 21:41:19 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Would something like this be reasonable in your estimate?

Non-Minnie Outpost: 50, 52, 54, 57
Minnie Outpost: 52 (best a highseccer can get), 54 (Best a POS can get), 57, 60.

Yeah, that's completely reasonable. Honestly the unupgraded minmatar thing isn't a huge deal since everyone always slapped a tier1 upgrade on it anyway (to get to 100%). Your method also cuts down on the possible refine levels which is nice.


Still seems unreasonable... given an Amarr station comes out of the oven with more production slots than a minmatar station could have at lvl 3 factory (which would be a huge waist now). Caldari and Gallente get similar results for research and office space... really, in this model, it should go

Non-Minmatar: 35, 50, 54, 57
Minmatar: 52, 54, 57, 60

Can you refine at a non-minmatar station? Yes... should you plan on it being a major use of the station? No. With this setup, each station can work in a pinch for any activity, but when planning and deploying a station and upgrades, the best station for the activity is always the goto station for that type.

Also, humble apologies to the devs.. after seeing the new volume numbers on compressed ore, I think they made a good set of changes overall... horribly explained and the math gymnastics seem horrible, with a change this big, you'd think they could just shovel all the old value and rework everything into a better system. It would be nice to show perfect refining skills getting 100% reprocessing for younger players and then showing increased amounts (105%, 120%) ext for more experienced players. I know, without a doubt, I'm going to be beating my head against a table after trying to explain to a new pilot why 100% isn't actually possible and even 86.4% is probably not guna happen.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1090 - 2014-03-21 21:41:39 UTC
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Querns wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

And Baltec, that battleship comparison was the most stupid thing I have yet seen you come out with, a unfitted BS on a gate in null compared to a unfitted BS in Jita on a gate. If it was a bing fitted BS they are likely do die much faster in Jita, you Goons are losing it if you come out with pap like that!


So, according to this post, because a completely different situation (a "bing" fitted BS afk on a gate) might play out differently, the original situation (unfit BS afk on a gate) is invalid. Brilliant!


Because people do missions and plexes in unfit ships. Come on GSF are these the best posters you got?

You've confused the vignettes again, please re-read and try again.


You are digging yourself even deeper which is why you tried to recover by the post immediately after this, that was funny, and yet you are most likely thinking you won that.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1091 - 2014-03-21 21:46:41 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:

Only proof here is that GSF can't secure even their home region, and have a lot of bad pilots. Hey guys we lose a lot of ships in our home region, so obviously HS needs a nerf. No no its not our fault for being bad and having terrible pilots who die to interceptors in our home region of space!

Not sure what you are trying to prove other than the fact you guys can't provide security and lack the initiative to do so. But hey lets blame it on HS having Concord and claiming it is infinitely safer despite doing nothing to prevent it.

You should go ask Mittani for some more talking points yours have become laughably stale.

"Hey guys we need to import lowends from High Sec, Ya we export Highends, but its not the same!"

Naw, I was proving that mining does occur in Deklein. You can also verify this by going to your Star Map, going to the options and choosing Development Indices > Industrial. Any system that has a glow around it is a place where mining has occurred in the last 24 hours. Unfortunately, as I don't have Eve installed on this machine, I can't make a screenshot. You'll have to do it yourself.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1092 - 2014-03-21 21:48:33 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Querns wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

And Baltec, that battleship comparison was the most stupid thing I have yet seen you come out with, a unfitted BS on a gate in null compared to a unfitted BS in Jita on a gate. If it was a bing fitted BS they are likely do die much faster in Jita, you Goons are losing it if you come out with pap like that!


So, according to this post, because a completely different situation (a "bing" fitted BS afk on a gate) might play out differently, the original situation (unfit BS afk on a gate) is invalid. Brilliant!


Because people do missions and plexes in unfit ships. Come on GSF are these the best posters you got?

You've confused the vignettes again, please re-read and try again.


You are digging yourself even deeper which is why you tried to recover by the post immediately after this, that was funny, and yet you are most likely thinking you won that.

Nah.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Mario Putzo
#1093 - 2014-03-21 21:50:38 UTC
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Only proof here is that GSF can't secure even their home region, and have a lot of bad pilots. Hey guys we lose a lot of ships in our home region, so obviously HS needs a nerf. No no its not our fault for being bad and having terrible pilots who die to interceptors in our home region of space!

Not sure what you are trying to prove other than the fact you guys can't provide security and lack the initiative to do so. But hey lets blame it on HS having Concord and claiming it is infinitely safer despite doing nothing to prevent it.

You should go ask Mittani for some more talking points yours have become laughably stale.

"Hey guys we need to import lowends from High Sec, Ya we export Highends, but its not the same!"

Naw, I was proving that mining does occur in Deklein. You can also verify this by going to your Star Map, going to the options and choosing Development Indices > Industrial. Any system that has a glow around it is a place where mining has occurred in the last 24 hours. Unfortunately, as I don't have Eve installed on this machine, I can't make a screenshot. You'll have to do it yourself.


Unrequired, I can see how much mining goes on in nullsec as I romp around your coalition space plexing in my mach laughing at how pathetic your arguments about HS being superior are. Thanks for the isk brosef.


Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1094 - 2014-03-21 21:53:03 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Unrequired, I can see how much mining goes on in nullsec as I romp around your coalition space plexing in my mach laughing at how pathetic your arguments about HS being superior are. Thanks for the isk brosef.

i think we can all agree that in your reality anything could be true, even you actually being right

but let's get back to actual reality instead of your dreamworld

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1095 - 2014-03-21 21:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Querns
Mario Putzo wrote:
Querns wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:

Only proof here is that GSF can't secure even their home region, and have a lot of bad pilots. Hey guys we lose a lot of ships in our home region, so obviously HS needs a nerf. No no its not our fault for being bad and having terrible pilots who die to interceptors in our home region of space!

Not sure what you are trying to prove other than the fact you guys can't provide security and lack the initiative to do so. But hey lets blame it on HS having Concord and claiming it is infinitely safer despite doing nothing to prevent it.

You should go ask Mittani for some more talking points yours have become laughably stale.

"Hey guys we need to import lowends from High Sec, Ya we export Highends, but its not the same!"

Naw, I was proving that mining does occur in Deklein. You can also verify this by going to your Star Map, going to the options and choosing Development Indices > Industrial. Any system that has a glow around it is a place where mining has occurred in the last 24 hours. Unfortunately, as I don't have Eve installed on this machine, I can't make a screenshot. You'll have to do it yourself.


Unrequired, I can see how much mining goes on in nullsec as I romp around your coalition space plexing in my mach laughing at how pathetic your arguments about HS being superior are. Thanks for the isk brosef.



You're a liar.

First you are running missions in highsec, scooping loot to be "self sufficient", then you're trying to make money in lowsec, now you're ninjaratting in our space in a Machariel? You sure do get around.

I'll cut you a deal. Take a screenshot of yourself in each of these activities, with the local eve time and date visible somewhere in the screenshot, and I'll cut you some slack and refrain from posting in this thread for 24 hours. You can even block out the system names; just make sure to include one of the local nebulas in the shot. I'm familiar enough with our space to be able to tell what region you're in just by the nebulae. Old screenshots are fine, just make sure they're within a week of this post.

To wit, I want to see one each of the following: you in a mission-capable ship, with some mission loot in your cargohold. I want to see you mining or refining in lowsec, and I want to see you in a Machariel somewhere in our space running plexes or doing an anomaly, identifiable only by the nebula in the shot.

Only Mario Putzo is eligible for this deal.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Fredric Wolf
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1096 - 2014-03-21 21:56:44 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Orion Satar wrote:
One thing that I didn't see getting mentioned regarding the reprocessing arrays. Will we be able to overfill the arrays by reprocesing?

From what I've seen, after the patch, the reprocessing arrays will have 2,000,000m3 of cargo space. Compressed Veldspar, for example, will have a volume of 257m3 and contain 690,500 units of Tritanium (6905 m3). With the intensive array, I'll get ~78% yield on that so 538,590 units or 5385.9m3. This means a full array with 7,782 blocks of compressed veldspar (1,999,974m3) will reprocess to 4,191,307,380 units of trit, or over 40 million m3.


Nope you will lose the 38M extra.


Pretty sure that is not how it works you must take any overflow out before it works again. It is the same as when you put multiple cap components into a POS array.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1097 - 2014-03-21 21:57:31 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
You are digging yourself even deeper which is why you tried to recover by the post immediately after this, that was funny, and yet you are most likely thinking you won that.

my friend i have read your posts and there is no finer example of someone thinking they're clever while looking dumb

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Mario Putzo
#1098 - 2014-03-21 21:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tribute#npc24 Much Active, so afraid.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Vale_of_the_Silent#npc24 Many ships, such scare.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tenal#npc24 Such numbers, very frighten.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Pure_Blind#npc24 Much Empty. Such safe.

shall I continue?

oh another empty region. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fade#npc24
here is one too http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fountain#npc24
another http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Delve#npc24
here is one http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npc24

hue hue hue

Go anywhere in CFC and its sure to be empty. But ya "we use our space guys! Promise!"

Ohhh But theres more

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Cloud_Ring#npc24
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Querious#npc24
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Paragon_Soul#npc24
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Omist#npc24

3/4 of Nullsec CFC + Blues very active Big smile


"We are so put out from HS that we can't even undock and use our own space!" LOL. and this is the space CCP caters to. Hundreds of unused systems. Hundreds of unpopulated systems, and they cater to the least common denominator who only play when they get pinged on jabber to blob on a timer. Hue hue hue. Some experience.
Kazanir
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1099 - 2014-03-21 22:06:41 UTC
You appear to have discovered that people mostly rat in areas with the truesec to warrant it. Good job.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1100 - 2014-03-21 22:09:10 UTC
Also, Goonswarm Federation has no rights to rat in any of that space. Also, Paragon Soul and Omist aren't even held by CFC entities.

Also, colors on Dotlan indicating amount of ratting being done are relative to the largest value in that region.

Also, mining does not show up on dotlan. Plexing also shows very poorly, but you should know that because you ninjarun plexes in our space. Oh wait, you haven't proven that yet.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.