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This is a case of null bears whining even harder than even a high sec carebear.

First you complained that nullsecers will now have to train their advanced ore processing skills to V to squeeze the last benefit from all the high end ores which are available there.

And now you want the minmatar unupgraded outpost to give even more benefit than a high sec station. Even with one upgrade it is already outperforming a POS refinery, two upgrades and it is above and beyond anything that any other player can achieve.

HTFU has never been more appropriate.

well, if the most effective way of hauling minerals flips from modules to ores, and refining ores becomes up to 20% more efficient in 0.0, you do the math.

Read back half a dozen pages or so; I've laid out why your posts are terrible and wrong.

And that is your problem exclusively.

Oh thanks for the primer on rock size and spawn rates. That completely explains why you can't seem to get in a mining ship and mine.

My biggest beef with this is that the Minmatar Outpost needs 2 upgrades before getting better than POS refining. Maybe the Tier 1 upgrade could be 54%

It won't happen because it is not as profitable. It is a side profit at best. The money will continue to remain in doing plexes and hunting rats, and that is where the people will go. The REAL money comes from selling Moongoo back in Jita, passively earned by simply bloobing timers and blue up 3/4 of space.

Production will remain in Hi Sec because outside of Capital/SuperCapital production it isn't an effective isk/hr for "line members" in Null alliances. Sure there might be some guys from logistics who bake some ships but its hardly comparable at all. This isn't because of mechanics though, this is because of players CHOOSING to min/max their time investment in game.

Go fly through CFC space, you can go from north to south and see less than a fraction of a % of their ~50K members. They don't use the space they have, and then whine to CCP on forums and in CSM meetings about the people who actually use the space.

Want to get people mining and producing in Nullsec, nerf Plexing/Ratting and Moon Mining.

The reprocessing update, must be immediately followed by iteration on reprocessing yield of Station Equipment across new eden.

Please CCP do not delay that to long

it is arguably more safe in the sense that if you ignore reality you can argue anything

it is not arguably more safe in the sense that there are legitimate arguments it is more safe

Lived deep in AAAC space during the invasion of HED-GP and GE by CFC-Test/PL never once was bothered. I ratted and mined and saw only a handful people that weren't in AAAC or my corp, plus intel channel we would know if anything was coming 7 jumps out. 6 months during a major war and never once had to run to a pos or station because of reds, gankers, or any thing else, the annoyance was we were cut off from importing from highsec. I was still a yearling and that made life really tough; also it was more boring the highsec and lowsec had been.



Nah, just move moon minerals into nullsec and lowsec asteroids instead of passive array moon mining. No more passive goo of any kind and bam mining becomes a worth venture in nullsec, 0.0 may hate it but the 0.0's would find it worth while to have mining fleets. Either that or t2 modules and ships disappear which i doubt the null corps would tolerate. You wouldn't even need to touch plexing & ratting.

Yes those previous moon minerals would require a major balance pass if they were placed into asteroids, in order to keep the fires industry running, but it would definitely be a major carrot to 0.0 industry to incorporate 0.0 mining.