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He might be referring to liquid ozone, which is impossible to get in highsec in large quantities.

Hasnt it always been like that?

I'm hoping that maybe we can reprocess the Rorqual’s and be able to break even on the cost of them. They are going to have to give it so much love, or change its roll, so it is not worthless. I'm thinking they will become the new WH closer after this patch. Who cares what side you get stuck on, right?

I like the term smelting. At least if you're going to leave me lying in an expanding puddle of my blood, give me a fancy name for your actions like smelting.

It's almost like you are dangerously misinformed about how asteroid belt mechanics work.

I was wondering when someone would point point out this huge nerf. Currently, every unimproved outpost has some huge advantage over every other. The current state of things is that a fully upgraded non-Matari outpost still cannot touch an unupgraded Matari outpost; after this nerf, the Minmatar outpost starts at a huge disadvantage and grows only slightly better than other outposts with regard to refining. The Minmatar outpost should at least start with a better refining rate than others, even if only 5%.

Yes, they realize this. What you fail to realize is that with the skills that people in empire are currently using to get a 100% refine (Refining 5, RE 5, Ore 4, no implant), they will only get 68.31%, or a 12.7% loss compared to now. If they really believed that mining doesn't need a nerf right now, they'd adjust the ore composition to the 68.31% value rather than the elusive 78.2% value.


Also, I've seen no mention of the fact that by changing Rorqual compression to not be a manufacturing process, you're reducing it's ore capacity, as before we could opt not to deliver jobs.

So querns already made the point that you don't seem to get how asteroid belts work, so let's attack the rest of your premise. Imagine thescenario. You are a three day old newbie in an alliance well known for loving its newbies. You're looking for something to do, so do you a) start training down a pointless dead end training path (considering you want to pvp) and grab a venture, then go mining for 5m isk/hr? b) Run around behind a veteran looting his ratting sites for what is certainly more than that? c) bug a mentor for a stack of free frigates, have fun PvPing, then say something adorable on voice comms and get showered with more isk than you think you can possibly ever use (really, a couple hundred million) because of it?

Hint: The answer is not A.

And to squash the typical and hilariously wrong response I always see, the answer still does not become A if the person looking to buy the minerals just doubles the price he's willing to pay, because if you need some minerals are you going to a) offer to pay twice the going price just so you can get them locally or b) import them from empire in one of any of the readily available compressed forms?

Hint: The answer is, once again, not A.

Just to cap things off, none of this changes if we're talking about a veteran player, except the activities are more like A) jump into your mackinaw and, realizing you've trained yourself down a dead-end training path, drink yourself into a stupor while mining these "pristine belts" for (at best) about 35m/hr b) run around as the veteran newbies follow around, ratting for a minimum of 60m/hr or c) Go out and have fun PvPing, knowing that if you die, you'll actually make money because of the corp reimbursement policies. Or, d), **** off to FW lowsec on an alt and farm the missions for far more isk/hr than anything you'll do in your own space... but that's a different topic entirely.

Answer? Still not A, sorry.

In case you weren't aware, grav sites (the scanner based mining sites) respawn pretty much instantly if they're fully mined out. In other words, it's not like a lack of ore is why "we can't get enough minerals" - it's got everything to do with mining simply not being a worthwhile task.



Oh no, now you'll have to train your skills up to their maximum level and use implants to achieve your fullest potential, just like every other activity in the game!

Perhaps this is what it means.

Dense Veldspar [old] Batch Size=333; produces 1100 Tritanium: Dense Veldspar [new] Batch Size=100 produces 457 Tritanium or 1377 @ 300

an increase of 25.18% in mineral yield.

The 457 Tritanium figure is at 100% yield, which is impossible to reach in the new system.

I'm sure the original fomenter of this laughably wrong attempt at an attack on nullsec appreciates you latching onto his idea like some kind of uninformed parasite, but it remains that neither you nor he understand how asteroid belt mechanics work.