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Perfect as in : matches perfect refine right now.

Sure, out in Null or lowsec (intensive array) it'll be possible to do better. But an outpost isn't exactly a free thing. And how many do you think have the refining bonuses?

Some basic points I think CCP misses:
- There are two types of isk: server generated and isk made from other players
- Server generated isk adds to mudflation
- isk made from other players drives down mudflation as eventually those sold goods are blown up.
- Players engaging in PvE have choices which effect the ratio of server isk to player isk
- Loot nerf leads to less mission / ratting / anoms being looted

- Increased ratio of speed running missions means:
- Dilution of LP values
- Increase in salvage value
- Increase in server isk to player isk ratio which = mudflation
- Increase entry barrier for new players


Last I heard something like 80% of players reside in high sec. CCP thinks if it keeps buffing null sec income it will get those players to go to null yet somehow keep forgetting the huge entry barrier to null and the fact that if you want null to become as popular has high sec you have to attract all kinds of players to null.

Currently null sec favors only one kind of player and that is the type like to shoot at everything. Null sec mechanics do not favor industrial types. So CCP keeps buffing what large coalitions can make which just further increases the entry barrier to null. No matter how much you boost mining if you have to have 3 combat pilots to protect every miner / hauler / booster then that means less isk per character involved in the mining op.

The bubble proof interceptors while I love them for getting around null make it so the only way to protect a mining op from a hot drop is to move so deep into null that you are out of cyno range or any red territory. This just further increases the entry barrier to null for newer players and newer corps / alliances

If you want null more active you need to increase the amount of newer players and newer / lower population corps and alliances. If you want that you need to increase the tools for Coalitions and Alliance to open their space to other players. The types of things I can think of to do is are:
- An easy way to share standings publicly like allowing anyone to have their local chat display the standing that any person, alliance or corp chooses to make public.
- More tools to earn isk from neutrals like the ability to set rates of tax i.e. bounty sharing rates
- Tools to tax ore removed from system.

Current null sec mechanics encourage large Coalitions to lock down huge sections of space to not get used. If you want to make null more active you need to change that and create mechanics that incentivise sov holders to encourage other players to use their space. This creates a mechanic where as an Alliance leader I want as many friendlies in my space as possible and as few in my competitors space as possible. So if I set my tax rates too high independents will go to my competition. If I keep my space safer it will be more valuable. If I make my competitors space less safe it will drive down the value of their space.

In short you need to make it so that sov holders are actively seeking more people to come use their space in stead of the mechanic which we currently have which is to encourage them to keep as many people as possible out of their space. The more valuable you make null under the current mechanics the more you make profitable to lock down your boarders and keep as many people out of null as possible.

So instead of trying to make everyone fight regardless of their play style why not make it so that those who like to fight can and those that like to produce can and create tools for the producers to be able to pay the combatants.

he also forgets that its the null-sec alliance leadership that controls how much null station take.... excluding npc of course.

1) EVE doesn't have an end-game.

2) If you love WoW so much because of the "end game" (which is simply levelling your gear instead of your character), why don't you go back there?

3) All the games which try to replicate WoW's model fail. Why should EVE try to emulate WoW when it already has a model that has worked for 10 years?

4) EVE doesn't have an end-game, so discussion of "end game content" is meaningless.

Getting the 60% requires you to install 35b of upgrades. An un-upgraded outpost sits at 50%.

that is one i wouldn't be opposed to seeing a bit of love for the low bears

Well, they do get access to the intensive refining array, with a higher return on it.

and how do you get that we don't need the skills? some of us do refining for a living other see the saving in buying the ore and refining it to make are stuff

I don't really get the rage over the implant, it's only like 300m, if they were asking people for a cosmos implant or something maybe that would be an issue but the 4% is like nothing, not even the cost of a normal set of +5s

Someone who is not trained in industry can simply plug in a 4% implant (they have Cybernetics 5 already in order to use their High Grade Slaves), wander up to a POS and refine as efficiently as someone who has focussed on the appropriate skills. This needs to change so that industry-focussed characters have some advantage over combat-focussed characters when it comes to doing industry stuff.

I hope you can turn "not for now" into "it's on the roadmap for summer/winter 201x" soon :)

Why do refineries in EVE smelt a billion tonnes of ore into metal instantly, when it takes days to manufacture that battleship in the first place? In the words of Pauline Hanson, "I just don't like it!" Ideally, there should be limits to throughput in order to provide other avenues for improvement — either by skills or advanced refinery designs — in order for one group of industrialists to gain a edge over another.

Thank you for these changes so far, CCP, it's a good direction to be heading in order to remove the extreme advantages of NPC supported industry in hi sec over industry in low and null.