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Upping this. CCP, you either need to consider alchemy an ore (heck, give it his own refining skill !) or boost MORE alchemy reaction for unrefined products.

Otherwise you are NERFING alchemy reaction straight away. Oh, and yes, you are upping alchemy in 0.0 sov too.

Indeed, point noted, we'll have a look into that one.

I've been reading through this thread and what I'm not seeing a lot of people comment on is loot reprocs.

I'm sure CCP has access to the amount of minerals that are currently being added to the market through this sort of mining, but I without knowing how much are coming from this method, its going to be pretty hard to fathom just how badly this is going to affect the market. If people were to stop refining all modules for mins that are dropped as loot, this could have a huge affect on the mineral market and having prices going up a good bit.

As another poster said, this is also going to drastically decrease the price for some meta modules (ex: smartbombs that are otherwise valueless). I think people are worried about the wrong thing here (ie minerals from ore) as what CCP has shown is that despite these changes that profession is going to basically stay the same.

I'm just not sure what the point of introducing something like the MTU was if they were going to make looting not profitable, or not worth the time...

Also, with people compressing ore now as a viable profession, I wonder how much minerals that will take off the market since the ore won't be refined and thus also drive the price up. I expect to see all mineral prices rise by 10-20% if not 30% depending on how all this shakes out.

I see no mention of NPC station refining efficiency, wouldn't this be a good time to change the bizarre association of Refining Effiiciency to Stations/Corporations

i.e.
Yuzier III - Nefantar Miner Association Mining Outpost gets 32%
vs
Sooma X - CONCORD Academy - 50%

For some bizarre reason stations associated with NPC mining corporations or heavy industry have terrible yields, despite Reprocessing being quite important to their business. Meanwhile military installations seem to be gifted the best reprocessing yields.

This is utterly bizarre and should be fixed while you're doing this.

I can see were you are coming from, but maybe I was not being that clear. I am looking at the whole process like I would see a chemical reaction. Nowadays ore is either refined directly or bought be refiners and the resulting minerals are then bought be droves of manufacturers. The Manufactures have to compete between themselves to get enough minerals to build their stuff. A simple a -> b -> c+d+e+f+g+h.... reaction where each product c till whatever has a chance to be "build" depending on how successful the manufaturer "reaction"

[Where a is the ore, b are minerals, c+d+e is nullsec manufactured and f+g+h etc is highsec]

#The way I see it in the future, one part of the manufacturers will be a side reaction, they buy the ore instead and have to compete with those who refined themselves or buy to refine to sell to the manufacturers. They are STILL competing with the manufacturing needs of the Highsec but at the same time they have to compete with the refinery side as well. And to make matters worse they cannot even use BOTH they have to buy the ore (or compressed or) and have no real way to use the minerals, so you get

a -> b + c+d+e
b -> f+g+h....

[And as b is used up by the "follow up" reaction the corresponding 'reaction speed" is increased so alot more b is created than c+d+e because it is used fast]

So depending on the surrounding it either shafts f till whatever because they cannot get enough of b, or it shafts c+d+e because they have to compete with every manufacturer they competed with before (remotely because driving the incentive to reprocess the ore) AND with the reprocessers as well.


Yes the potential 13% more reprocessing yield in nullsec can offset that, but the opportunity cost and the logistical cost of compressing and moving the minerals can negate that. You will have to run a POS, pay fuel, pay compression fuel, use time etc to compress the ore and then use fuel, time etc to move it to nullsec (some of those costs already exist with compressed minerals, but the added competition is new) so this 13% more can melt easily.

So, that was my train of thought, maybe I am wrong and the comparism is unadequate but it makes sense in my mind.

I don't get how CCP can take industry, especially low/null industry, and just give it a clean across the board nerf. Not mining, mining gets a minor nerf... but industry... just got a swift kick in the balls and more hoops to jump through. So for any sizable project, not only do we get massive spreadsheets to do the actual build, sourcing materials gets one as well, since finding the right minerals in the ore compositions is going to be a pain. Or we can do it ourselves, and run another POS (yes, just what I wanted to do, and in HS no less) and haul the heaviest stuff in eve all around in pitiful amounts.

And if you're goal was to make rorqual compression more useful, you failed, miserably.

Congrats CCP you just f***ed the titan builders, i would hazard a guess that 70% of titans are built with compression. Now it requires 3 x more work.

Its a good way to reduce the numbers of titans being built, it also means that if anyone wants one they will likely have to pay upwards of 150 bill.

Rorq sits inside the POS shield to Compress, but it will be 2bil isk cheaper to do so after the expansion with an array. Good for WH space, unless you really want the mining boosts from the rorq as well.

Agree...I posted this query as well.

My best guess is that CCP says - "Hold tight - inbound meta 1-4 changes to come." ???

So people MAY NOT refine these?? Not sure. How does Fozzie plan to rebalance modules without unbalancing ships. Above my pay grade.

I know! finally!