EVE General Discussion

As someone who started out with tabletop gaming back in the 80's, there are always people who moan, whine and cry when they lose, they don't tend to get invited back because playing games with them is pointless, they'll always be the first to accuse others of underhanded shenanigans when things don't go their way.

Strangely enough, despite what you assume about me, I often get asked to play RL games with other people, probably because I'm not a sore loser.

You make a lot of baseless assumptions in your post, firstly I'm not a zero sum gamer and I don't believe Jenn is either, we both do what many see as carebear stuff, neither of us indulges in ship to ship PvP unless we have to. What we are is realists, we accept that we're playing a competitive game where anybody, at anytime is free to try and stop us doing what we want to, and we plan accordingly.

And nor should there be, if they play within the rules of the game, I fixed the latter part of your post btw, you're welcome.

Yes you can choose to play or work cooperatively with others, what you can't do is expect others to play or work cooperatively with you. This is as true in real life as it is in Eve.

Yes we're both making choices, no you don't get to judge others in real life because of the choices they make in a computer game, because a computer game is not real life.

I'm willing to set aside our differences and work cooperatively with Divine Entervention to start a titan BPO copying operation. We can call it Titans4Everyone.

Yes I do. You've already stated that EvE is similar to real life in the regards that they're both governed by the choices of how we wish to play. Because we're the individuals choosing to perform the action within the game within real life, we get to judge the person who makes those choices by the overarching morality of real life context because of the stated similarity you've already established exists.

Where is it stated in the EULA or on any official website that I cannot consider someone who acts like a bad person as a bad person?

You have your opinion, and you're allowed to have it. But just like you're allowed to consider my opinion wrong, I'm allowed to consider yours wrong and judge you just like you judge me.

But those people are not playing a computer game. They don´t play pretend being a pod pilot, they just use meta and ingame cheese in a way to cause emotional harm to people. They enjoy the RL rage of their victims much more than anything. They develop glee by witnessing their own selves (i:e. not their character) being the cause of the RL distress of some unknown Joe, which they have created by using a video game as a platform.




Why do you answer me continuously, if you don´t care?

Moreover, I´m supposed to be on some kind of self-proclaimed moral high ground, while you are a moral pragmatist and think that ethics depend on context. So, why does my delusional moral self-aggrandizement annoy you, if you postulate that morals are irrelevant?

Oh I see, you think that ingame actions and RL behavior are de-coupled. To which I´ll just ask you to read my answer to Jonah above.

No, there is a very real distinction between actions within a game and actions in real life. Shooting people in a game where the norm is to shoot people is not the same as shooting people in real life where doing so is considered, with notable exceptions, as a crime.

You really do believe in some utter bollocks, the over reaching morality of real life does not apply in a game where that overreaching morality is not the norm.

You can, as long as you keep it in the context of the game, the problem is that you're not keeping it in that context, you're taking your judgement and allowing it to colour your real life view of people.

My opinion doesn't involve painting people as "bad" because of their actions in a game, which very specifically is not real life.

The very real connection between the actions taking place in game is they're being enacted based on the choices of the person in real life. The person in real life making the choices is the connection. If you were not in game making those choices, then they wouldn't be existing within with world of EvE. You are making it happen of your own volition.

Right now, you are typing to me on the forums. Is it not you typing to me? Who is it then, that is conversing with me right now? Based on your actions within the confines of these forums, I'm able to label and judge you how I see fit according to my belief system which is rooted in reality. Because I know in reality, there's a human being choosing to sit at his computer and perform the action of conversing with me.

You are disconnected from yourself and your own actions if you fail to see that you are the cause of your own actions, in real life, in a game, on forums, driving in your car, watching tv, whatever. Within reality, which you are sitting pretending you're imaginary, you are you.

Nowhere in EvE's EULA does it state I'm not allowed to think of anyone how I wish. Though I do not, I'm allowed to think every CCP employee is stupid( I do not!!!!!!), but do they try to prevent me from doing so? No, only you are.

You state the result of my conclusion is that it emerges into my opinion of defining who is and who isn't a bad person. But the same side of that same coin is you've reached a conclusion that I believe in some "utter bollocks". Yet your arrival at your conclusion is some how more justified than mine and should hold more validity? Nope, because you fail to understand the connection between you and reality.

You're trying to oppress my ability to have an opinion different than yours.
And when you try to tell me you're not trying to oppress my ability to have an opinion, just my ability to speak it, I'll respond with, Why do you feel you get to judge who is allowed to speak their opinion and who can? Let me guess, whoever agrees with you can keep talking, but everyone who disagrees needs to shut up. . . Which would result in you being a controlling, delusional, narcissistic, psychopath. . . . Only if that's how you feel though.

So tell me again about my choice of having an opinion and speaking it?

I have two friends that prefer an online MMO if the ability to PK or harass another player at will is present.

This got me thinking; why?
Questioning these two people I found various similarities in how they grew up, their beliefs, etc. Interestingly enough they were both weak kids that were picked on in their younger years, never had girlfriends, bullied, etc. Of course it goes even deeper than that, but I'm not here to give a lesson in psychiatry.

My only conclusion on my two friends is much like my take on your atypical law enforcement agent who desires control and power because of their childhood. That type of control and power is definitely allowable in Eve, so it really shouldn't be a shock that these types of players are the dominating population in the game.
Unfortunately it's a great reason to unsubscribe, as the old adage goes; if you hang around **** long enough you'll start to smell like **** yourself.

If you're going to give two of us nicknames, it's rather impolite to not give Jenn one also. Get with the program.