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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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fugazii
Slippery Penguin
#461 - 2014-03-15 21:36:11 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:
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-I haven't read a single post in this thread other than ops.-

OP If you're old enough to remember the beginning of EVE then you know exactly what happened. The EVE community was never like this in the beginning. CAOD was a place of discussion on par with the serious discussion subsection of kugu, a place where Jade Constantine style posting was common. People cared about stats, people cared about rep, people cared about ****. But you described exactly what happened in your post, maybe unintentionally. Reddit, hulkageddon, mittani, ..communities joined, specifically something awful joined. Goons came and the landscape changed, the culture changed. That was their stated goal was to ruin the game, they've done this with other games. Reddit, dreddit, test, 4chan broski, pizza, they're just psyudo-copycat communities built off of what something awful is. It all dates to the beginning, to goons coming to the game. Anyone who played prior to this can easily point that out. That is the culture shift.
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#462 - 2014-03-15 21:36:59 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
You should completely disengage from him OR try to help him legitimately, and not a facade of helping to illicit and further traumatize the broken individual..


The word should is still in your edit.
Also: traumatize the broken individual

IT'S PIXELS FOR RICE CAKES! PIXELS!




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#463 - 2014-03-15 21:39:38 UTC
fugazii wrote:
The EVE community was never like this in the beginning. CAOD was a place of discussion on par with the serious discussion subsection of kugu, a place where Jade Constantine style posting was common.
What, you mean pimping (as in the sex trade) alts at your local trade hub? P
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#464 - 2014-03-15 21:50:44 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
There's old stories about Pirate Codes and such. A bygone age where Pirates were Pirates and Griefers were persona non grata. I wasn't around for those days, so maybe it's all fanciful hindsight... but these days the lines are very very blurred. There's still some classy pirates* left though... so there is hope.

Being an honorable pirate isn't really about following the rules. It's about following your own rules, or the rules of a greater Piracy community that seeks to maintain its supply of victims. If you run victims out of the game, you find your waters sparsely populated. You have to give them a reason to keep playing and providing you a target.

I think James 315's New Order does that. They offer the chance to be 'protected' under their permit system. They don't want to exterminate high-sec miners. They just want to raid them, loot them, and keep them around for another go! So they tell the miners if they pay 10 million, they won't get shot again. There's always the immoral agent who shoots them anyways, but it gives the miners a sense that maybe things will be okay. It's still piracy, it's racketeering, it's extortion... but it's sustainable.

Maybe that's the word I'm looking for. Sustainable piracy. Sustainable griefing. Sustainable scamming. Making sure that you don't destroy your own prey population in the process of being a predator. A balanced ecosystem of Pirate and Carebear.

I think, in my time, I'd like to see more of the EVE playerbase get back to that mentality.


*- Vote Psychotic Monk for CSM9!


very good proposition i must say....

i agree with the OP too, the community here can be so toxic sometimes, the EVE community has to set a rule of conduct for the game, something that regulates how people deals with people here, its not a set of prohibitions but more of a universal agreement for certain matters.

for example:

-PvP against new players is forbidden unless both use rookie ships for it (only civilian modules):

if a veteran wants to engage a noob(im talking people with less than 1 day in the game that has just started the tutorials), at least use something that is to lvl with him, rookie ships are replacable so both of you wont have problems of isk later, but the target has to know about this and the engagement must be of course, a duel.

-NPC null sec regions free of Bubble presence:

this regions should be an entry lvl place for people who want to try the null sec life, people may not put bubbles here, leave that for sov driven regions

there could be other ideas but this is the most i have thought about, it doesnt hurt people, unless you think that you need a bubble in order to put a gatecamp anyways, people doesnt need them in low sec, and null sec gates dont have sentries so there's no excuse.....
Salvos Rhoska
#465 - 2014-03-15 21:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
@Divine: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349408#post4349408

Missed your post.

Both of you would be within your rights to do so.

Whether I think your actions are "wrong" or not does not change that.
You are both responsible for your actions, as I would be for whatever action I take in response to it.

As to your conduct on this board, you have shown yourself to be a "bad" person, from a moral perspective.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#466 - 2014-03-15 21:54:33 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:


very good proposition i must say....

i agree with the OP too, the community here can be so toxic sometimes, the EVE community has to set a rule of conduct for the game, something that regulates how people deals with people here, its not a set of prohibitions but more of a universal agreement for certain matters.

for example:

-PvP against new players is forbidden unless both use rookie ships for it (only civilian modules):

if a veteran wants to engage a noob(im talking people with less than 1 day in the game that has just started the tutorials), at least use something that is to lvl with him, rookie ships are replacable so both of you wont have problems of isk later, but the target has to know about this and the engagement must be of course, a duel.

-NPC null sec regions free of Bubble presence:

this regions should be an entry lvl place for people who want to try the null sec life, people may not put bubbles here, leave that for sov driven regions

there could be other ideas but this is the most i have thought about, it doesnt hurt people, unless you think that you need a bubble in order to put a gatecamp anyways, people doesnt need them in low sec, and null sec gates dont have sentries so there's no excuse.....


I just thought of two ways for vets to exploit your ideas.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#467 - 2014-03-15 21:58:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
@Divine: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349408#post4349408

Missed your post.

Both of you would be within your rights to do so.

Whether I think your actions are "wrong" or not does not change that.
You are both responsible for your actions, as I would be for whatever action I take in response to it.


But I wouldn't. Because I wouldn't wish to hurt you. I understand you and your wife have made a committment to each other, and despite my desire to have a connection you possess, I would not let my own desire rank as more important than your own.

That's what makes me a better person. I would respect you to the point where the issue of conflict wouldn't even materialize to become an issue in the first place. Despite being different than you in being in another body experiencing my own experiences, I understand essentially we're just the same kind of existence, the universe contemplating itself.

Now, you do not have to feel the same way as I do. But I am allowed to classify you as a person who is self centered and only cares about yourself and only does actions that benefit yourself, and choose how I wish to interact with you because of that. I will not impede on your ability to be self centered, but I will choose to act upon the classification you've earned and treat you accordingly, how I see fit, in a manner that still respects your right to be what I consider a horrible self centered human being.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#468 - 2014-03-15 22:03:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:


very good proposition i must say....

i agree with the OP too, the community here can be so toxic sometimes, the EVE community has to set a rule of conduct for the game, something that regulates how people deals with people here, its not a set of prohibitions but more of a universal agreement for certain matters.

for example:

-PvP against new players is forbidden unless both use rookie ships for it (only civilian modules):

if a veteran wants to engage a noob(im talking people with less than 1 day in the game that has just started the tutorials), at least use something that is to lvl with him, rookie ships are replacable so both of you wont have problems of isk later, but the target has to know about this and the engagement must be of course, a duel.

-NPC null sec regions free of Bubble presence:

this regions should be an entry lvl place for people who want to try the null sec life, people may not put bubbles here, leave that for sov driven regions

there could be other ideas but this is the most i have thought about, it doesnt hurt people, unless you think that you need a bubble in order to put a gatecamp anyways, people doesnt need them in low sec, and null sec gates dont have sentries so there's no excuse.....


I just thought of two ways for vets to exploit your ideas.


So obvious it's practically a law.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#469 - 2014-03-15 22:05:34 UTC
Anyone that truly gets upset by anything that happens in this GAME, should immediately see a good shrink.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Salvos Rhoska
#470 - 2014-03-15 22:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
@ Divine:

Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile, frankly.

By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.

I'm sorry, kid. But you don't understand of what you speak.

Come back when you've read some Nietzsche, Plato, Sartre, Rand or infact when you've read the works of even one actual philosopher on the matters of ethics.

Discussing these matters with you reminds me of nothing so much as discussing with some stoned teenage mall rat emo who has not yet psychologically or socially matured to the level where he understands what personal responsibility is.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#471 - 2014-03-15 22:09:54 UTC
Most of us play Eve because its hard. The threat of constantly being blown up and having to take risks is what makes this game unique. Every time you un dock you make a calculated risk.

I do worry about new players quitting though, isn't their some rule about not ganking people in the starter systems? I have on many occasion after blowing someone up and realizing they are less than a month old, contracting them back their loot, sending some ISK and offering advice.

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#472 - 2014-03-15 22:15:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
@ Divine:

Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile, frankly.

By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.

I'm sorry, kid. But you don't understand of what you speak.

Come back when you've read some Nietzsche, Plato, Sartre, Rand or infact when you've read the works of even one actual philosopher on the matters of ethics.

Discussing these matters with you reminds me of nothing so much as discussing with some stoned teenage mall rat emo who has not yet psychologically or socially matured to the level where he understands what personal responsibility is.


Again you demonstrate you are a dilettante and a hack when it comes to matters of ethics and morality. Juvenile and immature.
Salvos Rhoska
#473 - 2014-03-15 22:16:29 UTC
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

But in your case, I just take it to further evidence the brain of a parrot that repeats things without understanding them.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#474 - 2014-03-15 22:18:30 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

But in your case, I just take it to further evidence the brain of a parrot that repeats things without understanding them.


Which you chose to use my argument towards me, which was imitation on your part.

Thanks for the compliment.
Salvos Rhoska
#475 - 2014-03-15 22:30:43 UTC
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#476 - 2014-03-15 22:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
That didn't make any sense.


So you have a hard time understanding things. That makes sense considering your egotistical/selfish outlook on life.
Marsha Mallow
#477 - 2014-03-15 22:37:39 UTC
Both of you are bad people. Get out.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Salvos Rhoska
#478 - 2014-03-15 22:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Divine Entervention wrote:
Which you chose to use my argument towards me, which was imitation on your part.

Explain this to me.

The first part isn't even grammatically comprehensible.
And what exactly did I imitate?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#479 - 2014-03-15 22:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
By your ridiculous logic, and per that specific scenario you painted, I would then still be a better man than you, because I choose to not emasculate you and feed your genitals to my dogs.


Never mind your choosing to bring forth a conclusion you reached where emasculating someone and feeding his genitals to a dog is even a POSSIBILITY worth considering, which you've proven you did by bringing it into the conversation of your own volition.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#480 - 2014-03-15 22:43:19 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Which you chose to use my argument towards me, which was imitation on your part.

Explain this to me.

The first part isn't even grammatically comprehensible.
And what exactly did I imitate?


He can't for it isn't English.