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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#421 - 2014-03-15 20:05:43 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

you are an idiot. nowhere am I complaining about any loss I have ever suffered, just the idiot "pvp" crowd that don't want people to be able to shoot the bad guys


I live in 0.0, where you can shoot anyone you like for whatever reasons seem good to you.

Do you?

no, because I'd rather not be a mindless cog in the wheel of a giant douche flavored blue donut.


Just so that I'm clear, you're supposed to be the one claiming the moral high ground in this discussion?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kyperion
#422 - 2014-03-15 20:05:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Morality


Its a PvP game, morality has nothing to do with it.

in a pvp game ..... miners would have the ability to kill you with their giant space rock disintegration lasers
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#423 - 2014-03-15 20:06:54 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Morality


Its a PvP game, morality has nothing to do with it.


It's a sandbox governed by choices. Morality exists.


This, as written, I absolutely agree with. EVE is one of the very, very few MMOs that allows one to make a moral choice.

Of course that also means that peope can make choices you don't like;

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#424 - 2014-03-15 20:07:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Morality


Its a PvP game, morality has nothing to do with it.


It's a sandbox governed by choices. Morality exists.


This, as written, I absolutely agree with. EVE is one of the very, very few MMOs that allows one to make a moral choice.

Of course that also means that peope can make choices you don't like;


And absolutely no where have I stated people should not be allowed to make those choices, or that CCP should impose restrictions to limit people's ability to make choices to play the game how they see fit.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#425 - 2014-03-15 20:08:42 UTC
miners have the same opportunity to destroy any other person's spaceship as that person does the miners'
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#426 - 2014-03-15 20:09:55 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


It's a sandbox governed by choices. Morality exists.


Its also a PvP game, get used to being shot at.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#427 - 2014-03-15 20:10:48 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

in a pvp game ..... miners would have the ability to kill you with their giant space rock disintegration lasers


They get to kill people with drones.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#428 - 2014-03-15 20:11:04 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
miners have the same opportunity to destroy any other person's spaceship as that person does the miners'


Not necessarily.
Salvos Rhoska
#429 - 2014-03-15 20:13:12 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
----


You are a bad person.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#430 - 2014-03-15 20:14:43 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
miners have the same opportunity to destroy any other person's spaceship as that person does the miners'


Not necessarily.

refusing to get off their arses doesn't count as an unavailable opportunity
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#431 - 2014-03-15 20:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
----


You are a bad person.


I'm not perfect. The difference between us is I understand it and act in accordance with becoming a better person.

Knowing that alone makes me better than most, because they fail to realize they aren't as great as they think they are.

And also you refused to answer, meaning you understand I've backed you into a corner presenting a dilemma with your belief. You refused to answer and instead leveraged an insult.

You're easy.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#432 - 2014-03-15 20:19:42 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Morality


Its a PvP game, morality has nothing to do with it.


It's a sandbox governed by choices. Morality exists.


This, as written, I absolutely agree with. EVE is one of the very, very few MMOs that allows one to make a moral choice.

Of course that also means that peope can make choices you don't like;


And absolutely no where have I stated people should not be allowed to make those choices, or that CCP should impose restrictions to limit people's ability to make choices to play the game how they see fit.


Good for you. If only more people could accept that that which we disagree with need not be banned by higher authority.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#433 - 2014-03-15 20:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos, lets create a hypothetical situation to see how you would handle your preached outlook on social interaction:

You are married. I live across town. When you go to work, I come to your house and repeatedly make sexual advances to your wife. This is something I want to do. I want to sleep with her. I understand you and she are married, but according to you, I'm not suppose to let your feelings on a matter dictate how I feel, so I continue to do so. It's not even against the law.

She begins sleeping with me. She understands she's married to you and you might be upset, but according to you, she's not suppose to really take your feelings into consideration when choosing how she wishes to act and feel.

Your wife and I are now engaged in really outrageous, degrading sexual acts with no regard of your personal feelings on the matter.

You come home from work. She wants me to sleep with her while you watch. I want you to watch, and know that I am much more capable of sexually pleasing your wife.

Would this be wrong? I mean, none of us are suppose to care what others think and feel, everything we do is suppose to be about ourselves.

Right?

His refusal to address this will mean that he understands he is wrong and wishes to avoid it to not have to weaken his stance, proving him wrong. Wrong, something he feels he can never be.


this, thank you.

Quote:
It's a sandbox governed by choices. Morality exists.


and this

Quote:
'm not perfect. The difference between us is I understand it and act in accordance with becoming a better person.

Knowing that alone makes me better than most, because they fail to realize they aren't as great as they think they are.

And also you refused to answer, meaning you understand I've backed you into a corner presenting a dilemma with your belief. You refused to answer and instead leveraged an insult.

You're easy.


oh, and this !
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#434 - 2014-03-15 20:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
It's a sandbox governed by choices. Morality exists.
Its also a PvP game, get used to being shot at.

Where do you have that from?

Wikipedia wrote:
Eve Online (stylised EVE Online) is a video game by CCP Games. It is a player-driven, persistent-world MMORPG set in a science fiction space setting.
CCP wrote:
The Sandbox is the game world of EVE combined with the persistent actions of thousands upon thousands of players who interact with one another in a single-server environment..

Player-driven != PvP; player interaction != PvP

Unless you assume that if a game has feature x, it is an x-game.
Then I claim Eve is a PvE game. :p

My point is, Eve is a lot of things. To a lot of different people, and often many things at once.
Ofc the sandbox part means, you can try to include them in your game (as can they vice versa), but again, that is your personal decision :)
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#435 - 2014-03-15 20:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Benny Ohu wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
miners have the same opportunity to destroy any other person's spaceship as that person does the miners'


Not necessarily.

refusing to get off their arses doesn't count as an unavailable opportunity


You down for some hypotheticals? First lets lay down some ground rules, because "technically" I could spend thousands and thousands of dollars purchasing 20 accounts that specialize in many aspects of the game.

A miner, who's played for 2 months has spent all of his time mining and training to get to a Exhumer. So I have no combat skills, because I'm a "miner". I've chosen a path that defines a "miner". You say a miner has the same opportunity to kill any other persons ship.

Well I'm sorry but my exhumer cannot kill your t3 battleship. I simply don't have that opportunity because of game imposed limitations.

Which is why I said Not necessarily.
Salvos Rhoska
#436 - 2014-03-15 20:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Divine Entervention wrote:


I'm not perfect. The difference between us is I understand it and act in accordance with becoming a better person.

Knowing that alone makes me better than most, because they fail to realize they aren't as great as they think they are.

And also you refused to answer, meaning you understand I've backed you into a corner presenting a dilemma with your belief. You refused to answer and instead leveraged an insult.

You're easy.


The difference between us is that I am a good person. I understand what that entails and I act in accordance with being that, as well as continuing to be that.

You, however, are a bad person. Who does not understand what it entails to be a good person, and does not act in accordance with that entails.

Knowing this difference, is what makes me better than you. I understand, you, do not.
As I've said earlier, you are a dilettante, a hack. You talk a lot, but you don't actually walk the walk.

What is it I refused to answer?
I don't see where you presented a question to me.
Go ahead and quote where you put a question to me personally, and I will answer it.

I already beat you once. This will be fun to slap you around a second time.
Why? Because I am a good person who enjoys defeating bad people.
You are what defines me as good, and beating you is what defines me as better.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#437 - 2014-03-15 20:26:24 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
miners have the same opportunity to destroy any other person's spaceship as that person does the miners'


Not necessarily.

refusing to get off their arses doesn't count as an unavailable opportunity


You down for some hypotheticals? First lets lay down some ground rules, because "technically" I could spend thousands and thousands of dollars purchasing 20 accounts that specialize in many aspects of the game.

A miner, who's played for 2 months has spent all of his time mining and training to get to a Exhumer. So I have no combat skills, because I'm a "miner". I've chosen a path that defines a "miner". You say a miner has the same opportunity to kill any other persons ship.

Well I'm sorry but my exhumer cannot kill your t3 battleship. I simply don't have that opportunity because of game imposed limitations.

Which is why I said Not necessarily.

refusing to get off their arses doesn't count as an unavailable opportunity
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#438 - 2014-03-15 20:27:23 UTC
Let's get back to the story of Goofus trying to sleep with Gallant's wife. Goofus was greedy and wanted to put his weiner where it didn't belong. Gallant turns on the light. Interestingly, Gallant's wife was standing right next to him. This whole time, Goofus wasn't banging Gallant's wife at all. Instead it was...

To be continued...

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#439 - 2014-03-15 20:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


I'm not perfect. The difference between us is I understand it and act in accordance with becoming a better person.

Knowing that alone makes me better than most, because they fail to realize they aren't as great as they think they are.

And also you refused to answer, meaning you understand I've backed you into a corner presenting a dilemma with your belief. You refused to answer and instead leveraged an insult.

You're easy.


Delusional Evasion, failing to answer obviously directed towards him questions and instead replacing it with an unfounded assessment derived from a obviously twisted, distorted mind.


Now, you have the right to say what you wish(as long as it doesn't break this forum's rules). But that right doesn't make what you say correct.

If you wish, I will ALLOW you to shatter into a hundred pieces and continue to utter nonsense so you can say you were "trolling" the entire time so you can "save face". (Which is funny to be a person who thinks being a troll is better than being a sincere wrong person)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#440 - 2014-03-15 20:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Divine Entervention wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
miners have the same opportunity to destroy any other person's spaceship as that person does the miners'


Not necessarily.

refusing to get off their arses doesn't count as an unavailable opportunity


You down for some hypotheticals? First lets lay down some ground rules, because "technically" I could spend thousands and thousands of dollars purchasing 20 accounts that specialize in many aspects of the game.

A miner, who's played for 2 months has spent all of his time mining and training to get to a Exhumer. So I have no combat skills, because I'm a "miner". I've chosen a path that defines a "miner". You say a miner has the same opportunity to kill any other persons ship.

Well I'm sorry but my exhumer cannot kill your t3 battleship. I simply don't have that opportunity because of game imposed limitations.

Which is why I said Not necessarily.


Your limitations are due to your choices. You own them. They are your responsibility.
Furthermore, even a miner can hugely mitigate his loss percentages. You can buddy up with another miner in the same corp as you, use a couple of 60% webs to reducse your speed to a very low level and align at 70% of that low speed (28m/s with a pair of Retrievers) to a celestial. If destroyers start warping into the grid, you can then instawarp out. In hi-sec, if you choose a distant plant with lots of moons to align to, this is utterly uncounterable. it only requires that you pay attention, and only requires training propulsion jamming I (6000 SP) on top of whatever mining skills you have

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016