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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Kyperion
#401 - 2014-03-15 19:29:54 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
inbred fucksticks


Ooh the anger is rising in this one.

Such a moral person. So much dignity and restraint.

You think a ship fit and intended for a resource/haul activity should be capable of fighting off a ship fit and intended for destroying other ships?

What planet do you live on exactly?

the planet where that routinely happens on a daily basis.... see everything fom armored trucks to concealed carry laws.
Kyperion
#402 - 2014-03-15 19:31:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Seriously, few shabby pirates with guns can capture whole tanker with cargo worth millions in real life? This game is completely fair when you look at that from this perspective.

until death is permanent in this game and that means each actual human behind the controls only gets one shot at eve life... no, no its not... because those inbred fucksticks got a bullet to the head each and no jump clones


The tanker captain was equally without a clone and could also be killed the same way. Are you sure that's the balancing change you want?

we all do it everytime we undock from bed so why the hell not?
Salvos Rhoska
#403 - 2014-03-15 19:32:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Kyperion wrote:
the planet where that routinely happens on a daily basis.... see everything fom armored trucks to concealed carry laws.


Oh?

Do they use combat tanks to mine ore these days?

Do they use aircraft carriers for transporting large quantities of crude oil?

I must have MISSED THE FRAKING MEMO.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#404 - 2014-03-15 19:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#405 - 2014-03-15 19:34:08 UTC
We know there are gamers that like games you play to get away from a real life cruelty, but EVE is a bit too real for those people probably.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#406 - 2014-03-15 19:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
There couldn't be more evidence of a premise, my friend...

Gratuitous and personal humiliations and verbal slander was proven a rampant fact in the game and Out of game also, if you re-read the OPs post or have been paying attention lately.


First of all. I am not your friend. I am not friends with people who are so socially twisted and selfish as to presume they have any mandate or prerogative to dictate to other people how they should live their autonomous lives.

Second of all, you don't have a right to not be humiliated for your mistakes. No such right exists.
Where did you get it into your head that such a right exists? Care to cite me a legal source that says so?

Do you even know what "slander" means?
"A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed; distinguished from libel."
It is VERBAL, as distinguished from libel, which is written. Which means NOTHING THAT IS WRITTEN can constitute slander.
So where is this verbal slander you refer to happening? In private 3rd party voice chats? Those are no business of CCPs, and being in those channels is entirely on your own responsibility and recognisance.

The law supercedes EVE. If someone violates the law, that is obviously an issue where another autonomous individuals rights have been breached by ANOTHER INDIVIDUALS ACTIONS, but NOT BY THAT OTHER INDIVIDUALS RIGHTS.

If someone is verbally speaking slander about your actual PERSON, then by all means, go ahead and report them to your local police.

CCP has absolutely zero responsibility for or control of what happens outside of the game.

Are you so juvenile or uneducated that you cannot distinguish the difference in definitions of these concepts and terms?

You are like a child talking about adult issues. You clearly have zero understand of what your rights actually are, and what those same rights actually are in others. Like a child whos idea of rights is limited to "i was nice and did as I was told to the best of my understanding, that means I now have the right to that piece of candy as a reward".

How exactly are peoples rights being violated ingame?
You say that There couldn't be more evidence of a premise"

Be specific.
Give me 3 examples.


This entire thread is like the: Salvos Being Wrong Show
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#407 - 2014-03-15 19:41:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just for clarification:

I don't scam

I don't gank

I don't laugh at people who are bad enough that they get killed by somone who players as badly as me

I make a habit of helping new players

I do play in an NBSI alliance in 0.0 but I don't awox or spy

But

I want my choice to play that way to have meaning. If I were forced to play that way then my choice to do would mean nothing; I'd be just a clockwork orange, and I'd soon quit the game. Because the only reason that EVE Online, A Bad Game gets people to log in is because of the player interaction.

I accept that this choice means that I will sometimes be at a disadvantage. I am self secure enough to laugh off attempts by players who choose a different path to try and make me feel bad when those choices cost me. Generally I manage to turn the attempt back on them and have a laugh myself.

I am content that my choice has overall been to my advantage ingame: my word is good, there are many people in game ready to lend me ISK or assets (Bliss if you're reading this I'll trade the Rev back when the rugby is over and I log in OK?) but win or lose, my choices, my consequences, my responsibility: my game.

what meaning or consequence does yanking have if the
primary strategy involves throw away characters and in a game where a tank ship loss is never consequential?


I don't care. It's my job to keep my ship safe when I'm in space. I accept the risk and try and learn from my errors when I lose.

I've lost ships when I wasn't paying attention or just plain screwed up. I didn't whine about it because I'm a grown man.


This exchange demonstrates the divide between us (the Malcanis' ...Malcanii, whatever of the world) and them (The Kyperions and the rest of the cry squad on these forums). The one side as a sense of personal responsiblity and adulthood, the other, a sense of deep entitlement.

The responsible players (in game and out) tend to be happier, the irresponsible ones are mad at the world for not conforming to their desires 'just because'. At some point , all I can do is feel sorry for all these angry/sad people.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#408 - 2014-03-15 19:49:21 UTC
If malcanis was not a proper noun, the plural would probably be malcanes

eg: 1 testis, 2 testes

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#409 - 2014-03-15 19:50:30 UTC
But it is, so it's Malcanises





I think a discussion about grammer would be a good and productive direction for this thread to take.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#410 - 2014-03-15 19:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
I think we should talk about people who, for reasons best known to themselves and Satan, Prince Of Lies use "boni" or even "bonii" as the plural of bonus. As we should all know, the correct plural in English is "bonuses". A bonus is not a hippopotamus. They're not even the same ******* language for the love of God.

Should these people be banned or merely receive community sanction?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#411 - 2014-03-15 19:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Salvos, lets create a hypothetical situation to see how you would handle your preached outlook on social interaction:

You are married. I live across town. When you go to work, I come to your house and repeatedly make sexual advances to your wife. This is something I want to do. I want to sleep with her. I understand you and she are married, but according to you, I'm not suppose to let your feelings on a matter dictate how I feel, so I continue to do so. It's not even against the law.

She begins sleeping with me. She understands she's married to you and you might be upset, but according to you, she's not suppose to really take your feelings into consideration when choosing how she wishes to act and feel.

Your wife and I are now engaged in really outrageous, degrading sexual acts with no regard of your personal feelings on the matter.

You come home from work. She wants me to sleep with her while you watch. I want you to watch, and know that I am much more capable of sexually pleasing your wife.

Would this be wrong? I mean, none of us are suppose to care what others think and feel, everything we do is suppose to be about ourselves.

Right?

His refusal to address this will mean that he understands he is wrong and wishes to avoid it to not have to weaken his stance, proving him wrong. Wrong, something he feels he can never be.
Kyperion
#412 - 2014-03-15 19:56:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyperion
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Just for clarification:

I don't scam

I don't gank

I don't laugh at people who are bad enough that they get killed by somone who players as badly as me

I make a habit of helping new players

I do play in an NBSI alliance in 0.0 but I don't awox or spy

But

I want my choice to play that way to have meaning. If I were forced to play that way then my choice to do would mean nothing; I'd be just a clockwork orange, and I'd soon quit the game. Because the only reason that EVE Online, A Bad Game gets people to log in is because of the player interaction.

I accept that this choice means that I will sometimes be at a disadvantage. I am self secure enough to laugh off attempts by players who choose a different path to try and make me feel bad when those choices cost me. Generally I manage to turn the attempt back on them and have a laugh myself.

I am content that my choice has overall been to my advantage ingame: my word is good, there are many people in game ready to lend me ISK or assets (Bliss if you're reading this I'll trade the Rev back when the rugby is over and I log in OK?) but win or lose, my choices, my consequences, my responsibility: my game.

what meaning or consequence does yanking have if the
primary strategy involves throw away characters and in a game where a tank ship loss is never consequential?


I don't care. It's my job to keep my ship safe when I'm in space. I accept the risk and try and learn from my errors when I lose.

I've lost ships when I wasn't paying attention or just plain screwed up. I didn't whine about it because I'm a grown man.


This exchange demonstrates the divide between us (the Malcanis' ...Malcanii, whatever of the world) and them (The Kyperions and the rest of the cry squad on these forums). The one side as a sense of personal responsiblity and adulthood, the other, a sense of deep entitlement.

The responsible players (in game and out) tend to be happier, the irresponsible ones are mad at the world for not conforming to their desires 'just because'. At some point , all I can do is feel sorry for all these angry/sad people.

you are an idiot. nowhere am I complaining about any loss I have ever suffered, just the idiot "pvp" crowd that don't want people to be able to shoot the bad guys
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#413 - 2014-03-15 19:56:30 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

the planet where that routinely happens on a daily basis.... see everything fom armored trucks to concealed carry laws.


Said ships were a disaster in both world wars. Almost all of them were sunk and the only a handful scored hits and almost all of those were on friendly subs. There are none active in any navy today or any navy for the last 70 years.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#414 - 2014-03-15 19:58:13 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

you are an idiot. nowhere am I complaining about any loss I have ever suffered, just the idiot "pvp" crowd that don't want people to be able to shoot the bad guys


I live in 0.0, where you can shoot anyone you like for whatever reasons seem good to you.

Do you?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#415 - 2014-03-15 19:58:50 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos, lets create a hypothetical situation to see how you would handle your preached outlook on social interaction:

You are married. I live across town. When you go to work, I come to your house and repeatedly make sexual advances to your wife. This is something I want to do. I want to sleep with her. I understand you and she are married, but according to you, I'm not suppose to let your feelings on a matter dictate how I feel, so I continue to do so. It's not even against the law.

She begins sleeping with me. She understands she's married to you and you might be upset, but according to you, she's not suppose to really take your feelings into consideration when choosing how she wishes to act and feel.

Your wife and I are now engaged in really outrageous, degrading sexual acts with no regard of your personal feelings on the matter.

You come home from work. She wants me to sleep with her while you watch. I want you to watch, and know that I am much more capable of sexually pleasing your wife.

Would this be wrong? I mean, none of us are suppose to care what others think and feel, everything we do is suppose to be about ourselves.

Right?

His refusal to address this will mean that he understands he is wrong and wishes to avoid it to not have to weaken his stance, proving him wrong. Wrong, something he feels he can never be.


This has what to do with a PvP internet spaceship game?
Kyperion
#416 - 2014-03-15 20:00:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

you are an idiot. nowhere am I complaining about any loss I have ever suffered, just the idiot "pvp" crowd that don't want people to be able to shoot the bad guys


I live in 0.0, where you can shoot anyone you like for whatever reasons seem good to you.

Do you?

no, because I'd rather not be a mindless cog in the wheel of a giant douche flavored blue donut.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#417 - 2014-03-15 20:00:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Salvos, lets create a hypothetical situation to see how you would handle your preached outlook on social interaction:

You are married. I live across town. When you go to work, I come to your house and repeatedly make sexual advances to your wife. This is something I want to do. I want to sleep with her. I understand you and she are married, but according to you, I'm not suppose to let your feelings on a matter dictate how I feel, so I continue to do so. It's not even against the law.

She begins sleeping with me. She understands she's married to you and you might be upset, but according to you, she's not suppose to really take your feelings into consideration when choosing how she wishes to act and feel.

Your wife and I are now engaged in really outrageous, degrading sexual acts with no regard of your personal feelings on the matter.

You come home from work. She wants me to sleep with her while you watch. I want you to watch, and know that I am much more capable of sexually pleasing your wife.

Would this be wrong? I mean, none of us are suppose to care what others think and feel, everything we do is suppose to be about ourselves.

Right?

His refusal to address this will mean that he understands he is wrong and wishes to avoid it to not have to weaken his stance, proving him wrong. Wrong, something he feels he can never be.


This has what to do with a PvP internet spaceship game?


Morality
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#418 - 2014-03-15 20:02:43 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


Morality


Its a PvP game, morality has nothing to do with it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#419 - 2014-03-15 20:03:59 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

you are an idiot. nowhere am I complaining about any loss I have ever suffered, just the idiot "pvp" crowd that don't want people to be able to shoot the bad guys


I live in 0.0, where you can shoot anyone you like for whatever reasons seem good to you.

Do you?

no, because I'd rather not be a mindless cog in the wheel of a giant douche flavored blue donut.


What blue donut?

And please, do tell us how people like me are mindless cogs.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#420 - 2014-03-15 20:04:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:


Morality


Its a PvP game, morality has nothing to do with it.


It's a sandbox governed by choices. Morality exists.