EVE General Discussion

The Mechwarrior 4 community (spread across various league forums, Dropshipcommand.com and the Netbattletech forums) was the same way a decade before MWO came out. The various EVE forums are quite tame in comparison.

The problem with some EVE players and especially posters is that they mostly only play EVE/visit EVe related forums and don't have a broad enough perspective to understand what's what.

The EVE community is one of the more stable and mature ones. That's why CCP has fanfest every year and the worst thing you hear about is some dude with bad BO or a couple guys starting a space war because one guy called the other guy's girlfriend "hefty". A Mechwarrior (or Call of Duty or Halo or leage of Legends ect ect) community gathering like that would most likely require actual security planning and increased insurance payments lol.

You've obviously never seen the reactions of some people when they get ganked, any attempts to contact or engage with some of them in conversation is generally met with a torrent of abuse including death threats, the wishing of crippling disease and misfortune upon your family (both out of game), vitriol and hatred.

Yes ganking people may seem jerk like, however, wishing death, crippling disease and misfortune on someone and their family in real life over the explosion of some internet spaceships, in a game that revolves around said explosions, falls outside the range of being a jerk and into the realms of being an obnoxious individual with no concept of the difference between what happens in a game and what happens in real life.

Most gankers couldn't give two hoots what people say or threaten in the context of the game, because it's within the game. Take it outside of the game and it becomes a matter for the shrinks and the old bill.

Lol, people do, and then we end up with threads like this, and their associated holier than thou, if you do bad in a game you're bad IRL, hangers on.

I'll put this forward as an illustration of what I got from one: someone wishing me dead for posting on a forum… And I'm not even a ganker — I'm sure those who actually do stuff in game have seen far worse.

I am a bear and i have been podded and ganked, and i wasn't that mad. But I have some background in PvP in other games and know how pointless it is to throw tantrums. Game isn't over. We all will have our butts kicked repeatedly playing this game. We are all in it together.

Nice universal generalisation to every single individual person playing in the entire game.
Including yourself.

Also, as has been anecdotally demonstrated here, it is the people who lose ships to whatever action, that flip their lid and overstep the bounds of general morality by making IRL threats, incredibly personal insults to the other person and their families, poison the community against the game itself and create threads like this one where they propound their own morale superiority, when infact it is they who are the most heinously immoral of all.

Those are the people you should be holding reprehensible for their behavior, on a moral level.

You must have rather thin skin.

Tossing insults at each other is a art form out in 0.0 and everyone just takes it as banter. There is no meaning behind it but bears just dont understand it.

To be fair, insults as a dominance game is pretty standard practice in any number of closer communities, so that's hardly a unique phenomenon.

More like nobodies rights were officially examined, and so, easy to self-conclude on it like you just did.

Anyway, back on the topic at hand, I countered you for what you were saying about individual rights in general, not just in the Eve universe.

But if you want Eve-specific, i'll give you one:

In my early naive days of Eve I wanted to get into mining, i'd read a bit about the unforgiving nature of the game and its players, so I was a bit informed on precautions to take as a hisec miner.

However, that didnt stop the occasional suicide gank from happening and setting me back several weeks as a penniless starting player with no friends and no resources.

But one day came when the gankings became more repetitive, several times a week, followed by waves of insults in local, tagging, "lolcarebear", "back to wow", and all the likes of abuse we all know and endure in this game.

At this point I realised I would have to make tremendous efforts to remain in the hisec mining activity and keeping it the way I wanted to play the game, but I no later realized those efforts in vain, as ganks became systematic, wherever I went, for nearly a whole damn month. This had tremendous effects on my personal life planning as I would have to dedicate considerably more ammounts of time in the game.

It got to a point where I was forced into making a choice between my life and the game, as I was still paying a monthly subscription at the time (and who cares, it's just my money right ?).

It's at this time I thought on the real motivation behind all this rampant ganking, namecalling, PMs riddled with personal insults and abuse on my person, and all in the prevention of making my own money's worth of what I considered the game to play fun for me.

My right as a paying customer was in having fun with this game using a one of its safest advertised functions to do it with, but I was flat-out denied that right to start the game this way by people desiring nothing else but to stamp over your tracks and **** you, because they could.

At that point I also realized those same people had the choice in themselves not to perform such actions, and so, for a service I paid for, i refused to expose myself and money to actions i'd have next to zero control over, and so that ended up with an non-renewed subscription.

Did I have the choice to continue and choose another starting profession ? Sure.

Did I want to ? Nope.

Was it entirely my fault ? Precisely not one bit, as I was looking for my own way to play and have fun in the game using one of its advertised functions, but got prevented from it by an external force that could not care less about you, or why you joined and paid for this game in the first place.

Then again, he didn't say that either…

Your right to what now?

You have a desire for that, but where on earth did you get the idea that you have a right to it in a game that's openly and explicitly advertised as a single-shard open world with FFA PvP.

You have the following rights in EVE:

You have the right to try doing anything you like

You have the right to try and stop anyone else doing anything you don't like

But you have no right whatsoever to succeed.