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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Anslo
Scope Works
#341 - 2014-03-15 16:11:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Like I said, step out behind the coat tails of so many others.

Get more coat tails. We're just pubbies. Why can't you rally other gankers to back up your big talk?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#342 - 2014-03-15 16:14:44 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Like I said, step out behind the coat tails of so many others.

Get more coat tails. We're just pubbies. Why can't you rally other gankers to back up your big talk?


Why do you need a bunch of other people behind you before you feel safe enough to take a fight?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Anslo
Scope Works
#343 - 2014-03-15 16:16:32 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Like I said, step out behind the coat tails of so many others.

Get more coat tails. We're just pubbies. Why can't you rally other gankers to back up your big talk?


Why do you need a bunch of other people behind you before you feel safe enough to take a fight?

Why do you need a bunch of miners as targets before you're willing to fight?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#344 - 2014-03-15 16:21:01 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Like I said, step out behind the coat tails of so many others.

Get more coat tails. We're just pubbies. Why can't you rally other gankers to back up your big talk?


Why do you need a bunch of other people behind you before you feel safe enough to take a fight?

Why do you need a bunch of miners as targets before you're willing to fight?


I don't. I do that on an alt, among plenty of other things. I play just about every part of this game, this character lives in a wormhole, for example. I even still have a ninja salvager.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#345 - 2014-03-15 16:30:15 UTC
The community here is nothing. You wanna see ****, look at a game called "Mechwarrior Online".

THEIR subreddit split in two (lol) because there was a really **** moderator and apparent paid shill named Congzilla, who was stifling dissent so the Goons took over (mind you they created the subreddit in the first place, then left as the game was revealed to be more and more ****, and non Goons got mod positions - effectively "taking over") kicked him out, and decided there would be no more moderating comments or bans.

The defenders of all things MWO basically said, "FINE then we're taking our ball home" and threw a hissy fit known as hpgoutreach. One of the mods there made this massive rant on how he was taking all the content creators there and now the Reddit is split in two lol.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Octoven
Stellar Production
#346 - 2014-03-15 16:30:23 UTC
I don't mind popping noobs but just one the off occasion or a few times a month. However, when you have tons of massively campaign driven events to do so...yeah I can probably agree that it is more of a detriment to the the game than anything. With that being said, I have been guilty of killing noobs and usually if I know they are a new players (less than 4 months) I typically will give them a bit of isk to replace anything I destroyed. For me it isn't about economic dominance of a noob who has little isk to begin with, I just popped a player without prejudice. The real question I suppose is how do you know if the player you are killing is a true noob or just an alt? If you are a vet player you know enough about noobs to pass as one. In which case once you turn your back and give that new player a break...he pounces. Eve is about survival at any cost, there are measures in place to protect noobs. The starting systems and if im not mistaken the systems surrounding these starting systems are pretty safe for noobs. If you are caught trying to lure one out to gank or such its a ban-able offense if im not mistaken.

If I am in a wh and a noob comes in there, I will pop him period. He received the warning just as I did when attempting to jump that CONCORD will not be around. As for ganking miners, generally noobs are flying ventures anyway. By the time they have got into retrievers, hulks, and macks they have some isk in their pocket and usually have been told by a corp member that you shouldn't fly what you cant afford to lose. Even if they have not been told, they still have the benefit of watching that miner in the belt next to them being burned.

There are more people than you can imagine in eve who give a noob isk for losing a ship, hell I still get isk from losing a ship 5 years later >.< not everyone in eve are complete dicks, but then again without them, the game would get pretty stagnate quickly.

As for the exit survey, CCP does ask when you cancel your sub why you did so. There are numerous categories and even one for custom. It would be nice if they released these statistics. I would be interested in knowing the majority cause of player loss.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#347 - 2014-03-15 16:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Words have meanings. If you don't know those meanings, you should not use the words.
That has nothing to do with being superior. Its just the facts of life.
You can point at a banana and call it an apple all you want, that does not make it an apple.

Goe Rilla wrote:
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The Mittani did not violate anyone's rights.
Nor has he been legally prosecuted on any charge for violating anyones rights as related to that incident.
You may find his actions reprehensible according to your own moral beliefs, but those are subjective, and amount only to your own opinion. They are not binding on, nor supercede, the opinions of anyone else, including The Mittani or the suicider.

Let me restate that so it is completely clear.
He did not violate anyone's rights.

So this example was not an example of someones rights being violated.

Now, I repeat the question:

Give me one specific and real example of how your rights have been violated in EVE

Feel free to use alternate names to protect the identity of the involved individuals.


In the real world, Bullying is considered an offense, and cyber-bullying increasingly so these days.

Naturally, the offensive liability of The Mittani's actions never saw light of day as his victim never pressed any complaints, and so it remains based on opinions since then...

So it's a very easy case to dismiss and use for those with an agenda to push on for more apathetic retardation.

However, if people started making a habit of calling their lawyers to check on the liability of some of the **** they go through in this gameworld or the next, a tsunami of charges would most likely come pouring in, and certain people would finally start to stfu in defense of rampant retardation...
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#348 - 2014-03-15 16:31:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Like I said, step out behind the coat tails of so many others.

Get more coat tails. We're just pubbies. Why can't you rally other gankers to back up your big talk?


Why do you need a bunch of other people behind you before you feel safe enough to take a fight?


I thought that was how combat worked in this game? Theres no bushido code in 0.0...

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#349 - 2014-03-15 16:33:17 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Words have meanings. If you don't know those meanings, you should not use the words.
That has nothing to do with being superior. Its just the facts of life.
You can point at a banana and call it an apple all you want, that does not make it an apple.

Goe Rilla wrote:
---


The Mittani did not violate anyone's rights.
Nor has he been legally prosecuted on any charge for violating anyones rights as related to that incident.
You may find his actions reprehensible according to your own moral beliefs, but those are subjective, and amount only to your own opinion. They are not binding on, nor supercede, the opinions of anyone else, including The Mittani or the suicider.

Let me restate that so it is completely clear.
He did not violate anyone's rights.

So this example was not an example of someones rights being violated.

Now, I repeat the question:

Give me one specific and real example of how your rights have been violated in EVE

Feel free to use alternate names to protect the identity of the involved individuals.


In the real world, Bullying is considered an offense, and cyber-bullying increasingly so these days.

Naturally, the offensive liability of The Mittani's actions never saw light of day as his victim never pressed any complaints, and so it remains based on opinions since then...





Cyber bullying is actually illegal in many states. I guess you wont be able to play EVE in those states lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#350 - 2014-03-15 16:34:16 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Like I said, step out behind the coat tails of so many others.

Get more coat tails. We're just pubbies. Why can't you rally other gankers to back up your big talk?


Why do you need a bunch of other people behind you before you feel safe enough to take a fight?


I thought that was how combat worked in this game? Theres no bushido code in 0.0...


You're right, there isn't. But if you're going to call one person out on the forums and then literally refuse to not bring a fleet, it does kinda make you a pussy.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska
#351 - 2014-03-15 16:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Goe Rilla wrote:
In the real world, Bullying is considered an offense, and cyber-bullying increasingly so these days.

Naturally, the offensive liability of The Mittani's actions never saw light of day as his victim never pressed any complaints, and so it remains based on opinions since then...

However, if people started making a habit of calling their lawyers to check on the liability of some of the **** they go through in this game or the next, a tsunami of charges would come pouring in, without a doubt.


There was no liability. Nobodies rights where violated. Hence, no prosecution.

Infact the moral, and in some sense legal, liability rests on the suicider for trying to blackmail someone else by threatening to take their own life if they did not comply to their demands. But you obviously can't sue someone who is clinically of unsound mind (as a suicidal individual is considered to be).

But returning to topic, I repeat the question a third time to you:

Give me one specific and real example of how your rights have been violated in EVE

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#352 - 2014-03-15 16:43:09 UTC
If you are about to pod or after you gank someone, wish him good luck next time, with smile, is that so much to ask? These people are certainly worth these words.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#353 - 2014-03-15 16:46:09 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:


In the real world, Bullying is considered an offense, and cyber-bullying increasingly so these days.

Naturally, the offensive liability of The Mittani's actions never saw light of day as his victim never pressed any complaints, and so it remains based on opinions since then...

So it's a very easy case to dismiss and use for those with an agenda to push on for more apathetic retardation.

However, if people started making a habit of calling their lawyers to check on the liability of some of the **** they go through in this gameworld or the next, a tsunami of charges would most likely come pouring in, and certain people would finally start to stfu in defense of rampant retardation...


Why are you playing a PvP game if you don't like the fact that PvP can happen to you?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#354 - 2014-03-15 16:48:16 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
If you are about to pod or after you gank someone, wish him good luck next time, with smile, is that so much to ask? These people are certainly worth these words.


When ganking there is little time for such things.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#355 - 2014-03-15 16:51:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
If you are about to pod or after you gank someone, wish him good luck next time, with smile, is that so much to ask? These people are certainly worth these words.


When ganking there is little time for such things.
It's also likely to be seen as adding insult to injury, and cause more threads like this.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Oraac Ensor
#356 - 2014-03-15 16:53:02 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
You're equating a niche of players, however broad, to the entire community.

No, he is quite specifically NOT doing that.

Protip: always read the OP properly before posting in a thread.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#357 - 2014-03-15 16:54:18 UTC
Still you can wish it to the pilot after you gank him and loot the wreck. All what is despised in the whole thing is a sompletely psychopatic effect when you did not bother even to say anything to a man. You look there like a rogue drone not a man. Be a man, not a complete jerk. Is that so hard? Roll

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#358 - 2014-03-15 16:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
If you are about to pod or after you gank someone, wish him good luck next time, with smile, is that so much to ask? These people are certainly worth these words.


When ganking there is little time for such things.
It's also likely to be seen as adding insult to injury, and cause more threads like this.


Whoa, those people need a break, or tell them its only a game.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#359 - 2014-03-15 16:58:33 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Still you can wish it to the pilot after you gank him and loot the wreck. All what is despised in the whole thing is a sompletely psychopatic effect when you did not bother even to say anything to a man. You look there like a rogue drone not a man. Be a man, not a complete jerk. Is that so hard? Roll


When it's a miner, they're not even playing the game in the first place in all likelihood. Just complete the gank and move on with it. Send them a premade evemail if you're feeling nice, I have been calling them "surprise hull integrity checks" lately.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#360 - 2014-03-15 17:00:25 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Still you can wish it to the pilot after you gank him and loot the wreck. All what is despised in the whole thing is a sompletely psychopatic effect when you did not bother even to say anything to a man. You look there like a rogue drone not a man. Be a man, not a complete jerk. Is that so hard? Roll


They are most often dead and podded so not in system and sending them a mail with "GF" just rubs salt into the wound and fans the flames of rage. Meanwhile we are getting our pods back to safety, sorting out ships for the next gank, getting everything back into position, dealing with concord and looting the goods and getting our own hauler to safety.