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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#241 - 2014-03-15 08:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kyperion wrote:
Law abiding citizens can and do carry, and carry concealed, completely looking like harmless individuals, except for the Glock in their pants.

Ok, fair enough. I somehow read it as “do” rather than “can”. Ugh

Still, the answer remains much the same: maybe you can, but you don't. The same goes in EVE: you could carry a gun, but you don't. And just like with that choice, even if you do, it won't really help against the determined attacker unless you bring back-up. The tools exist, people just have this nasty habit of not using them.
Kyperion
#242 - 2014-03-15 08:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyperion
Tippia wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Law abiding citizens can and do carry, and carry concealed, completely looking like harmless individuals, except for the Glock in their pants.

Ok, fair enough. I somehow read it as “do” rather than “can”. Ugh

Still, the answer remains much the same: maybe you can, but you don't. The same goes in EVE: you could carry a gun, but you don't. And just like with that choice, even if you do, it won't really help against the determined attacker unless you bring back-up.


A .40 Caliber bullet in the T-Box followed by two in the chest will stop any threat 'IRL'

unbonused drones do not carry enough 'dps' (See Stopping power) to deal with gankers, and deal with means kill.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#243 - 2014-03-15 08:56:28 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
A .40 Caliber bullet in the T-Box followed by two in the chest will stop any threat 'IRL'
Not when the threat is 12 guys armed with assault rifles, and they've already shot you once each.

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unbonused drones do not carry enough 'dps' (See Stopping power) to deal with gankers, and deal with means kill.
Actually, they do. Maybe only just, but they do. Even more so if you go for the smart option and use something other than pure DPS to stop them. The problem is that there are 12 of them and you didn't see them coming.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#244 - 2014-03-15 08:58:33 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
He has the right to say what he wants(unless maybe it breaks some forum rules). But that right to let him speak his mind doesn't mean that what he says is correct.

That's a really odd, and grossly hypocritical, response.

But in anycase I tend to agree with most things I see Tippia post.

You're fortunate that she's obviously enjoying playing your forum games, as it's pretty much the only thing that gives your comments any kind of credence at all. She obviously enjoys the sparring practice lol

I'd get bored with that quickly myself. It's obvious what you're trying to do and I'm not interested much in getting involved myself because everything you write is superficial bullshit aimed at perpetuating a simple argument (note I said argument, not debate). You are a very simple forum troll. Period.

Least I hope you are, as if you truly believe the stuff you say then...uhgg, Tippia has a point about you needing to step away from the keyboard and seek help.

Kyperion wrote:
you cannot carry a gun on a miner barge or merchant ship in EVE... which is bullshit

Tell that to the awesome Badger bait that cost my alt her Proteus lol (and almost my bomber too).

Ships require balance. It's silly to expect a mining barge, designed for maximum efficiency at one task (mining) should also be an elite PVP vessel. Next you'll ask for covops everything, and frigates that can fit battleship grade weapons. Stop asking for tools to enable laziness and instead use the tools you already have to survive, or fight, smarter.

It will take extra effort, yes. Sorry but it's unavoidable.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#245 - 2014-03-15 09:00:07 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
A .40 Caliber bullet in the T-Box followed by two in the chest will stop any threat 'IRL'

unbonused drones do not carry enough 'dps' (See Stopping power) to deal with gankers, and deal with means kill.

A tank? (sorry, a bit facetious, but also serious in that there is no single strategy that deals with every possible threat).

On the second bit, if drones are your preferred tool, then make sure you train drones to level 5, drone interfacing to level 5, combat drone operation to level 5 and whichever racial specialization to level 5 in order to gain maximum damage and then fit a drone damage amplifier or two.

Of course, the fitting of your ship is a choice you make and if fitting damage mods for drones doesn't fit with what you want to do, then find a different strategy.

Above all, you don't need to bring DPS to deal with gankers. Concord does that.

You only need to ensure your own survivability. Tank your ship and fit damage control mods. That is better than having a couple of hobgoblins fly around.
Kyperion
#246 - 2014-03-15 09:00:25 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
He has the right to say what he wants(unless maybe it breaks some forum rules). But that right to let him speak his mind doesn't mean that what he says is correct.

That's a really odd, and grossly hypocritical, response.

But in anycase I tend to agree with most things I see Tippia post.

You're fortunate that she's obviously enjoying playing your forum games, as it's pretty much the only thing that gives your comments any kind of credence at all. She obviously enjoys the sparring practice lol

I'd get bored with that quickly myself. It's obvious what you're trying to do and I'm not interested much in getting involved myself because everything you write is superficial bullshit aimed at perpetuating a simple argument (note I said argument, not debate). You are a very simple forum troll. Period.

Least I hope you are, as if you truly believe the stuff you say then...uhgg, Tippia has a point about you needing to step away from the keyboard and seek help.

Kyperion wrote:
you cannot carry a gun on a miner barge or merchant ship in EVE... which is bullshit

Tell that to the awesome Badger bait that cost my alt her Proteus lol (and almost my bomber too).

Ships require balance. It's silly to expect a mining barge, designed for maximum efficiency at one task (mining) should also be an elite PVP vessel. Next you'll ask for covops everything, and frigates that can fit battleship grade weapons. Stop asking for tools to enable laziness and instead use the tools you already have to survive, or fight, smarter.

It will take extra effort, yes. Sorry but it's unavoidable.


If you lost a T3 ship to a badger, you are daft.
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#247 - 2014-03-15 09:03:27 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

On a more serious note, as I've said before, if you didn't have the "bad guys" to wail and gnash your teeth about you wouldn't enjoy the game nearly as much. Once this bit of self realization hits home, you will find inner harmony. Smile



Those guys a growing portion of the playerbase is complaining about, are not playing pod pilots online, they´re merely using this game as a platform to get cheap kicks out of total strangers. All of their actions revolve heavily around meta, and going out of their way to cheese every little edge they can. This does not create a healthy gaming environment.

The normal gamer plays pretend being a pod pilot, and cares about ingame goals. The gankers/griefers/scammers that people are dissatisfied with, care mostly about making people mad (and possibly keeping record of their RL rage). This is why they make such a heavy alt usage, as it´s good meta to do it again and again and still be able to access highsec, dodge block lists and reputation issues.

Their goals are out-of-game oriented, they want to make people mad IRL and build an online reputation around it. This does not make the game enjoyable, as their meta-playing allows them to escape any form of ingame retribution. But more importantly than that, it´s disturbingly sociopathic.
Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2014-03-15 09:03:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives
I've arrived late, I don't know whats happened here exactly... talking about defending mining ships?

Let's get back on track here and highlight the real problem again:
EVE is filled with grown men who log into an online space game for the purpose of angering other grown men for their own personal amusement.

The OP is a breathe of fresh air. I have done almost everything "evil" this game has to offer and not a single time have I been rude about it. Not once have I extracted a tear or made someone want to quit the game through my words and attitude. If I can do it, so can they. They aren't special and neither am I. This has nothing to do with game mechanics, the issue is that of human interaction. You can gank a ship or even AWOX a corp without mistreating the people behind the keyboard. This is a concept that is not understood by the legion of sad RL losers who use EVE Online to make themselves feel better at everyone else's expense. CCP should show them the light.

Instead CCP doesn't do a single thing about it, likely because they want subscriptions and prefer not to ban hundreds of players (customers). That means us players only have one reasonable response: Unsubscribe.

I have not payed CCP a single dime since I saw someone having his "tears extracted" in local about 6 months ago. I sent in petitions about the players involved and they saw no repercussions, not even a suspension that put them offline for a week or something.

It's up to us normal functioning adults to show our displeasure towards CCP's lack of action. Anyone and everyone who agrees that the personalities in this game need a culling should stand with me on this. Unsubscribe and just grind for the ISK if needed. It sends the right message to CCP: If you're going to allow all this non-sense in your game to maximize subscriptions, you're not going to maximize subscriptions.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#249 - 2014-03-15 09:04:44 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
If you lost a T3 ship to a badger, you are daft.

No, I lost a T3 ship to the T3 gang for whom the Badger was bait for.

Quite an awesome battle badger fit actually. The guys who murdered me were nice enough to give me it's fit afterward when I congratulated them on an awesome bait.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#250 - 2014-03-15 09:10:13 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


It's like a bad episode of Battlestar Galactica with the narrator saying "this has all happened before, and will happen again" lol.


This is blasphemy. There is no such thing as a bad episode of BSG and insinuating that there ever was one should be punishable by death.

You go to hell.

You go to hell and you die.


"Hero" was pretty bad. Do you really think a black dude in a cylon prison for several years would still have such a fine perm?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#251 - 2014-03-15 09:12:06 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


It's like a bad episode of Battlestar Galactica with the narrator saying "this has all happened before, and will happen again" lol.


This is blasphemy. There is no such thing as a bad episode of BSG and insinuating that there ever was one should be punishable by death.

You go to hell.

You go to hell and you die.


"Hero" was pretty bad. Do you really think a black dude in a cylon prison for several years would still have such a fine perm?

Move over Jenna, someone else is going with you.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#252 - 2014-03-15 09:14:45 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
But more importantly than that, it´s disturbingly sociopathic.


Ive been saying this myself for several years now.
Sophie d'Amour
Perkone
Caldari State
#253 - 2014-03-15 10:03:18 UTC
reason i stop playing EvE.

I just wanna log blow up some NPCs log off.
nothing fancy just casual fun.

but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#254 - 2014-03-15 10:06:59 UTC
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.

What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up?
Kyperion
#255 - 2014-03-15 10:11:30 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
If you lost a T3 ship to a badger, you are daft.

No, I lost a T3 ship to the T3 gang for whom the Badger was bait for.

Quite an awesome battle badger fit actually. The guys who murdered me were nice enough to give me it's fit afterward when I congratulated them on an awesome bait.


So it wasn't the badger that killed you, but his friends.... completely not what we're talking about here.
Sophie d'Amour
Perkone
Caldari State
#256 - 2014-03-15 10:15:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.

What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up?


it do not matter anymore.
Kyperion
#257 - 2014-03-15 10:15:37 UTC
Tear Harvesters HaveNoLives wrote:
I've arrived late, I don't know whats happened here exactly... talking about defending mining ships?

Let's get back on track here and highlight the real problem again:
EVE is filled with grown men who log into an online space game for the purpose of angering other grown men for their own personal amusement.

The OP is a breathe of fresh air. I have done almost everything "evil" this game has to offer and not a single time have I been rude about it. Not once have I extracted a tear or made someone want to quit the game through my words and attitude. If I can do it, so can they. They aren't special and neither am I. This has nothing to do with game mechanics, the issue is that of human interaction. I've ganked many ships and not once have mistreated the people behind the keyboard over it. The same cannot be said for the legion of sad RL losers who use EVE Online to make themselves feel better at everyone else's expense.

CCP doesn't do a single thing about it because they want subscriptions. That means us players only have one reasonable response: Unsubscribe.

I have not payed CCP a single dime since I saw someone having his "tears extracted" in local about 6 months ago. I sent in petitions about the players involved and they saw no repercussions, not even a suspension that put them offline for a week or something.

It's up to us normal functioning adults to show our displeasure towards CCP's lack of action. Anyone and everyone who agrees that the personalities in this game need a culling should stand with me on this. Unsubscribe and just grind for the ISK if needed. It sends the right message to CCP: If you're going to allow all this non-sense in your game to maximize subscriptions, you're not going to maximize subscriptions.


The game mechanics are what allow this kind of human interaction... the game mechanics of artificially making merchant and mining vessels overly weak and without offensive capability.

So what I am proposing is that we give the gankers exactly what they claim to want... excitement, and turn Mining barges and merchant ships into things that we would expect to exist in this kind of Spartan universe.
Salvos Rhoska
#258 - 2014-03-15 10:16:12 UTC
:@ OP and other like minded individuals


What exactly are you proposing?

Please provide a conscise numbered list with specific wording of what exactly it is that you want done.

Please append a short explanation to each numbered entry, if it requires elaboration.

Something similar to this:

1) Change x to y:
-Reasoning and elaboration

2) Implement mechanic z:
- Reasoning and elaboration


This will enable the community to address and consider specifically what it is you are proposing in an informed and organised manner, whereas right now, Inand of thers have no idea what exactly it is you have in mind.

Thanks.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#259 - 2014-03-15 10:17:30 UTC
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
it do not matter anymore.
There are always lessons to be learned.
Kyperion
#260 - 2014-03-15 10:26:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sophie d'Amour wrote:
but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.

What were you in, what were you doing, and where were you when you blew up?


To reply to your many posts about existing 'tools'

.... Conceptually the mining barge makes no sense in the EVE Universe.... In a world gone mad with greed and villainy, where damn near anyone has access to cutting edge military hardware..... Mining Barges wouldn't exist.... they would all be tanked like a Marauder, and probably keep the firepower .... they might sacrifice speed and manuevering for that, but they definitely wouldn't be the puny little things they are now, and the smallest one would not be the toughest one.

Alternatively they might be small, fast, low signature frigates, with a full flight of light drones and a stealth bombers cloak bonuses.

Freighters would have about 16 turrets moving as slow as they do.

The kind of sandbox ganking proponents claim eve to be has no room for the kind of weak fitting capabilities seen on most mining/merchant ships.