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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2014-03-15 05:02:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Karon Grandolf wrote:


Once again these issues are reduced to a question about a single pilot or a single corp. My interest is the combined result of the interaction between the different styles of play in the game.

I don't wish to complain. I'm sad to see the potential of the game being wasted as a whole. It is very difficult to run a non-combat corp in high sec of significant size. Not because it's dangerous, but because non-combat players find high sec combat boring.

A high sec war is the combat culture imposing on the non-combat. The combat culture impose on the non-combat on their own terms. They change the play for the non-combat to better fit the combat. I do not disaprove of this.

What is lacking is the non-combat culture being able to impose itself on the combat culture on the non-combat terms. Maybe it should be possible to exclude for a period, certain pilots and/or corporations that has become a menace to the industries of high sec? Or just make them legit targets for anyone in high sec for a period.

This could be used instead of a limit to the number of war decs. The more wars, the cheaper it becomes to use this tool. High sec needs mechanics to effectively police itself. The non-combat culture needs tools to bring the dangerous and challenging environment to the combat culture on it's own terms using non-combat tools.


So your plan is to get CCP to do all the protecting for you by banning people who attack you from high sec.

See this is exactly why people like you get shafted time after time. You do nothing to protect yourself and think that CCP should be protecting you. This game is not like that, if you want protection then you have to do it yourself, there are more than enough tools in game to defend yourself with.


His plan is also to have everyone but him fight by giving wardecers some sort of suspect flag.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2014-03-15 05:03:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
What's wrong ISD? Can't handle the truth?


Discussing moderation. Always a good idea.


This thread is getting locked as soon as an ISD wakes up regardless. I'll help spur it along....

Just buy a New Order permit. Only 10mil isk for a year's worth of hisec mining.

.. ISD's hate that sort of thing.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#163 - 2014-03-15 05:09:40 UTC
I propose this thread gets locked because OP is attacking the community- ranting, trolling, and surely a couple more things.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Marvin Shields
Division 156
#164 - 2014-03-15 05:12:41 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
What's wrong ISD? Can't handle the truth?


Discussing moderation. Always a good idea.


This thread is getting locked as soon as an ISD wakes up regardless. I'll help spur it along....

Just buy a New Order permit. Only 10mil isk for a year's worth of hisec mining.

.. ISD's hate that sort of thing.



Eh. I don't give a ****. I don't take kindly to someone coming in and arbitrarily removing content from a discussion because they don't like what's being said. The sad part is this particular member of ISD probably has a vested interest in keeping the info out of the public view for fear of certain entities being shed in a bad light.

Oh well. There goes a perfectly good threadnaught. Thanks ISD Ezwal!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#165 - 2014-03-15 05:15:59 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
What's wrong ISD? Can't handle the truth?


Discussing moderation. Always a good idea.


This thread is getting locked as soon as an ISD wakes up regardless. I'll help spur it along....

Just buy a New Order permit. Only 10mil isk for a year's worth of hisec mining.

.. ISD's hate that sort of thing.



Eh. I don't give a ****. I don't take kindly to someone coming in and arbitrarily removing content from a discussion because they don't like what's being said. The sad part is this particular member of ISD probably has a vested interest in keeping the info out of the public view for fear of certain entities being shed in a bad light.

Oh well. There goes a perfectly good threadnaught. Thanks ISD Ezwal!


In before lock.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kyperion
#166 - 2014-03-15 05:20:38 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
What's wrong ISD? Can't handle the truth?


Discussing moderation. Always a good idea.


This thread is getting locked as soon as an ISD wakes up regardless. I'll help spur it along....

Just buy a New Order permit. Only 10mil isk for a year's worth of hisec mining.

.. ISD's hate that sort of thing.



Eh. I don't give a ****. I don't take kindly to someone coming in and arbitrarily removing content from a discussion because they don't like what's being said. The sad part is this particular member of ISD probably has a vested interest in keeping the info out of the public view for fear of certain entities being shed in a bad light.

Oh well. There goes a perfectly good threadnaught. Thanks ISD Ezwal!


Did we expect any less from goons and gankers online?
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#167 - 2014-03-15 05:21:58 UTC
Yawn.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#168 - 2014-03-15 05:22:00 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
What's wrong ISD? Can't handle the truth?


Discussing moderation. Always a good idea.


This thread is getting locked as soon as an ISD wakes up regardless. I'll help spur it along....

Just buy a New Order permit. Only 10mil isk for a year's worth of hisec mining.

.. ISD's hate that sort of thing.



Eh. I don't give a ****. I don't take kindly to someone coming in and arbitrarily removing content from a discussion because they don't like what's being said. The sad part is this particular member of ISD probably has a vested interest in keeping the info out of the public view for fear of certain entities being shed in a bad light.

Oh well. There goes a perfectly good threadnaught. Thanks ISD Ezwal!


Did we expect any less from goons and gankers online?


Grr Goons.
Marvin Shields
Division 156
#169 - 2014-03-15 05:23:17 UTC
Lock it! It's not like any progress was made today! The majority of this thread devolved to shitposting and namecalling and finger pointing, to hell with the SERIOUS DISCUSSION I wanted, to hell with the potential to start a change in this game (Though that was a lofty expectation).

I don't ******* care anymore guys. There's nice people in the game, I never said there weren't. But it only takes a few people shitting in the community pool to ruin the experience for everyone else.

At no time did I say suicide ganking was a bad thing. I said the issue was not with mechanics or gameplay. The issue is with the tear-hungry types who prey on people for no better reason than hoping they get someone to whine in local or throw a temper.

The point has been made; Nothing more to do now than to wait for Mittens' personal ISD slaves to come in and lock the thread.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#170 - 2014-03-15 05:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
Marvin Shields wrote:
Lock it! It's not like any progress was made today! The majority of this thread devolved to shitposting and namecalling and finger pointing, to hell with the SERIOUS DISCUSSION I wanted, to hell with the potential to start a change in this game (Though that was a lofty expectation).

I don't ******* care anymore guys. There's nice people in the game, I never said there weren't. But it only takes a few people shitting in the community pool to ruin the experience for everyone else.

At no time did I say suicide ganking was a bad thing. I said the issue was not with mechanics or gameplay. The issue is with the tear-hungry types who prey on people for no better reason than hoping they get someone to whine in local or throw a temper.

The point has been made; Nothing more to do now than to wait for Mittens' personal ISD slaves to come in and lock the thread.


Well there is one more thing...

Can we have your stuff?

*actually, go ahead and send all your assets and isk to the Mittani, along with a strongly worded evemail. Yes, thousands of us will die by rolling over laughing, but such an action may silently create the sea change movement you seek so badly.

In fact, if you actually send all of this stuff to James 315, your letter and photos of your contracts will most certainly appear on the website (www.minerbumping.com) which will be read by thousands.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Kyperion
#171 - 2014-03-15 05:27:41 UTC
The goons know they are mouthbreathing dickheads, that's why their defense always boils down to "grr goons"
Marvin Shields
Division 156
#172 - 2014-03-15 05:28:20 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
Lock it! It's not like any progress was made today! The majority of this thread devolved to shitposting and namecalling and finger pointing, to hell with the SERIOUS DISCUSSION I wanted, to hell with the potential to start a change in this game (Though that was a lofty expectation).

I don't ******* care anymore guys. There's nice people in the game, I never said there weren't. But it only takes a few people shitting in the community pool to ruin the experience for everyone else.

At no time did I say suicide ganking was a bad thing. I said the issue was not with mechanics or gameplay. The issue is with the tear-hungry types who prey on people for no better reason than hoping they get someone to whine in local or throw a temper.

The point has been made; Nothing more to do now than to wait for Mittens' personal ISD slaves to come in and lock the thread.


Well there is one more thing...

Can we have your stuff?


This character has a Condor. You're welcome to it.
Kyperion
#173 - 2014-03-15 05:29:24 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
Lock it! It's not like any progress was made today! The majority of this thread devolved to shitposting and namecalling and finger pointing, to hell with the SERIOUS DISCUSSION I wanted, to hell with the potential to start a change in this game (Though that was a lofty expectation).

I don't ******* care anymore guys. There's nice people in the game, I never said there weren't. But it only takes a few people shitting in the community pool to ruin the experience for everyone else.

At no time did I say suicide ganking was a bad thing. I said the issue was not with mechanics or gameplay. The issue is with the tear-hungry types who prey on people for no better reason than hoping they get someone to whine in local or throw a temper.

The point has been made; Nothing more to do now than to wait for Mittens' personal ISD slaves to come in and lock the thread.


Well there is one more thing...

Can we have your stuff?


because someone is unhappy with circumstances must mean they are on the verge of rage quitting
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#174 - 2014-03-15 05:32:58 UTC
Basically what it boils down to, is everyone gets really mad that I am better than them at all aspects of existence.

You really should stop comparing yourself to other people. There is always going to be someone who's better than you regardless of what it is, like me.

Just be happy that you are you, and stop letting the fact that you're not as great as everything as I am ruin your outlook on life.

Stop letting yourself get mad and sad because you're bad. Be Glad.

#thebest
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#175 - 2014-03-15 05:34:33 UTC
I was actually just editing my post when you guys responded.

Let's go ahead and document this ragequit as best as possible, you know, to um, make lots of people take your side. We'll need you to go ahead and provide a full account api so people know this isn't some "complex Erotica 1 scheme."

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#176 - 2014-03-15 05:37:15 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I was actually just editing my post when you guys responded.

Let's go ahead and document this ragequit as best as possible, you know, to um, make lots of people take your side. We'll need you to go ahead and provide a full account api so people know this isn't some "complex Erotica 1 scheme."


Sorry bro, your Schtick is old. You're irrelevant again.

You bring nothing new to the table, and you can't even generate as much forum content through discourse as this 1 month old new to the game forum slayer.
Kyperion
#177 - 2014-03-15 05:47:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Karon Grandolf wrote:


Once again these issues are reduced to a question about a single pilot or a single corp. My interest is the combined result of the interaction between the different styles of play in the game.

I don't wish to complain. I'm sad to see the potential of the game being wasted as a whole. It is very difficult to run a non-combat corp in high sec of significant size. Not because it's dangerous, but because non-combat players find high sec combat boring.

A high sec war is the combat culture imposing on the non-combat. The combat culture impose on the non-combat on their own terms. They change the play for the non-combat to better fit the combat. I do not disaprove of this.

What is lacking is the non-combat culture being able to impose itself on the combat culture on the non-combat terms. Maybe it should be possible to exclude for a period, certain pilots and/or corporations that has become a menace to the industries of high sec? Or just make them legit targets for anyone in high sec for a period.

This could be used instead of a limit to the number of war decs. The more wars, the cheaper it becomes to use this tool. High sec needs mechanics to effectively police itself. The non-combat culture needs tools to bring the dangerous and challenging environment to the combat culture on it's own terms using non-combat tools.


So your plan is to get CCP to do all the protecting for you by banning people who attack you from high sec.

See this is exactly why people like you get shafted time after time. You do nothing to protect yourself and think that CCP should be protecting you. This game is not like that, if you want protection then you have to do it yourself, there are more than enough tools in game to defend yourself with.


The only 'defense' CCP's shipfitting mechanics allow for those engaging in PVE... ESPECIALLY miners is a few seconds to GTFO if they detect a bad guy in a belt.

Same for missioners... because for the most part you cannot fit even a combat ship for missions and still have a prayer in a PVP situation... and also because you can almost never overcome a One vs Many situation....

So lets give the gankers what they want... Put some ******* teeth on all merchant ships.... give the Barges deployable defense stations and EWAR mid slots....

Lets see how many of these elite champions of Highsec PVP will still be around when the barges strip miner could target and disintegrate their hull.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2014-03-15 05:49:21 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:

I don't ******* care anymore guys. There's nice people in the game, I never said there weren't. But it only takes a few people shitting in the community pool to ruin the experience for everyone else.


I don't feel like my experience has been ruined. Mostly I've found with Eve that I can choose to interact with people or not. Can block people in local. I don't have to see their emails. Heck, I think the forum software even blocks people for you. There is no online game I've played at any time that didn't have people that are jerks. Eve is the first one I've found where I get to blow them up though.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Kyperion
#179 - 2014-03-15 05:50:52 UTC
Actually thats a damn good idea.... let a strip miner overloaded do X amount of DPS directly to the hull of a ship.... it can disintegrate asteroids after all, why the hell can't they damage ships.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#180 - 2014-03-15 05:50:58 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

The only 'defense' CCP's shipfitting mechanics allow for those engaging in PVE... ESPECIALLY miners is a few seconds to GTFO if they detect a bad guy in a belt.

Same for missioners... because for the most part you cannot fit even a combat ship for missions and still have a prayer in a PVP situation... and also because you can almost never overcome a One vs Many situation....

So lets give the gankers what they want... Put some ******* teeth on all merchant ships.... give the Barges deployable defense stations and EWAR mid slots....

Lets see how many of these elite champions of Highsec PVP will still be around when the barges strip miner could target and disintegrate their hull.


"I can't be asked to fit or fly ships correctly, so give me the most overpowered anything possible, that'll show em!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.