EVE General Discussion

Wait, when was Chribba drunk?

Chribba's secret is that he is always drunk.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

the guy's rl situation has nothing to do with the game, it was unfair of him to try and guilt people into giving him an ingame advantage. it wasn't the alliance that tricked the guy, it was some random in their chat. and that arse ragemailed me with 'i hope you get cancer too'. there's one person at fault in that situation

Each game has its own community.
Each community has its **** heads.
Its just how the community evolved over the years.
Its what makes the game unique, its what makes each game unique.

Some people are good, some are bad. Welcome to the human race!

When you cancel your sub there is an exit survey asking why you are leaving eve fyi .

This is my experiance too. everywhere i have gone in eve i have found friendly people willing to help.
Oh except in highsec carebear corps. There i found nothing but apathy and disinterest.
Eve is all about communities and people that are incapable of joining a good one will ofc have a poorer experience than people who do manage to join one or more decent communities

This thread is amazing.

I have never seen a more abusive discussion about the subject of moral responsibility.

I think the eaelier comment by someone, that much uneccessary and unfounded disgruntlement is actually rooted in some peoples inability or unwillingness to accept or understand the nature of this game as compared to many other MMOs, rather than the "toxiccommunity", is very true.

Its not the behavior of other people towards them that is the problem, the problem is their own attitude.

If I walk around in life with unrealistic expectations both of the way the world works and of the nature of my fellow mankind, I will be repeatedly dissappointed and angry, not because of what other autonomous people are doing in it, but because I am so stupid as to assume I am responsible for, or capable of controlling, anyone else except myself.

These people dont seem to understand the fundamental link between the ability to control an outcome, and being responsible for it.

I am not responsible for how others view my actions. Why? Because I have no business or auspice to control how they view it.
That is their own prerogative, purview and privilege and one I cannot determine or define. Its in their own head to which I have no access or business.

Reciprocally, this also means that though they are free to view my actions as they wish, their views have NO control over my own autonomous choices in my own life. Their views are their own, and not mine, and do not define how I choose to live my life, no matter how they try to claim that theirs is the "right" way.

But many people dont understand this. They think because they dont "like" something, that somehow means they are entitled to judge and restrict those who do like that.

How does this translate in EVE?

As some people who expect others to behave according to how THEY demand and perceive they should, according to their own internal system of beliefs. Is that fair towards the other person? Hell no. Does that entitle them to dictate how others should behave or think? Absolutely not. Why not? Becuase the same rationale could be levelled right back at them, and they, in return, be expected (against their own autonomy and self-determination) to act as those other people whom they presume to dictate to, dictate right back to them.

Its a ridiculous arrangement, premise and approach to interaction with others.

Its also extremely offensive and socially reprehenensible to even THINK you are in somekind of position to dictate to others how they should behave. It is none of your business. You have no control over how others behave, only over how YOU yourself behave.

I am not responsible for how you feel about something.
I am not responsible to your personal view on how "things should be".
I am not beholden to act as you in your head think I should.
You dont, and cant, control me, nor I you.

Its abhorrent to even think or attempt otherwise, and yet that is exactly what this thread is trying to defend.

Stop trying to dictate how others live their lives and how they choose to conduct themselves.

There's nothing wrong with the Eve community. Grow up, OP.

Fortunately i've never been caught no, but thats probably more down to my paranoid nature when logging into this game, new players dont have that paranoia about them, and only get it once they've been blown up a few times, maybe the first time losing a ship to PVP they didnt ask for is enough for them to delete the client, i dunno, but thats what im getting at.
Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.

Now, IF it did happen and i got ganked or some such, then im experienced enough to deal with it, learn from it and avoid it next time, but that just me, someone who's played just over 4 years, not a new player a day/month into EVE.







Absolutely not no, but making it much more of a pain for the instigator and with harsher consequences would be a welcome more and make EVE more attractive to new players that DONT want to PVP that 3yr old player in highsec.