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mup Deninard
mupcorp
#1 - 2014-03-01 20:00:24 UTC
Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores?
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-03-01 20:51:28 UTC
Maybe the demand for oxygen isotpoes is higher?there are three caps that use it compared to the other racial isotopes and one of them is a very popular dread (moros). I don't know just a geuss
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2014-03-01 21:09:37 UTC
mup Deninard wrote:
Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores?


It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular".

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-03-01 22:33:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
mup Deninard wrote:
Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores?


It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular".


well, that was my geuss. I have no idea then
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-03-01 22:49:14 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
mup Deninard wrote:
Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores?


It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular".



that is not correct, they are really popular for moon mining and reactions
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2014-03-02 01:26:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Gilbaron wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
mup Deninard wrote:
Just a quick question. Why is blue ice worth less than all the others and is it still better to mine than hisec ores?


It makes the fuel for Gallente stations, which I gather are the least "popular".



that is not correct, they are really popular for moon mining and reactions


They are the least popular. I did not say that nobody uses them.

And since moon mining (all they have bonuses for is Reactions) is only possible in .3 or less, they are hardly used at all in high sec.


Whatever dude.

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-03-02 01:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbaron
based on tower sales in jita the gallente large tower is the most popular, followed by the caldari large

the gallente small and medium towers are the most popular in their respective size.

there may be more caldari towers out there, mainly because they hardly ever get destroyed but the gallente towers are the highest in demand.

edit: my numbers come from IPH and are based on the SVR value. it's not perfect since it does not count absolute sales but rather how long it takes to build what is sold in a day
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2014-03-02 01:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Gilbaron wrote:
based on tower sales in jita the gallente large tower is the most popular, followed by the caldari large

the gallente small and medium towers are the most popular in their respective size.

there may be more caldari towers out there, mainly because they hardly ever get destroyed but the gallente towers are the highest in demand.


Lets see this list of tower sales in Jita then.

Also, if they are, then what is your reasoning for the low price of Blue Ice/Oxy Iso ????? Let's hear it. I mean...that's the point of this thread.

The only time it was most valuable was when it was Interdicted.

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-02 01:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbaron
there you go:

http://imgur.com/2UPnp2T

the SVR value is not perfect to compare sales. it does not count absolute sales but rather how long it takes to build what is sold in a day. however, you can use it to compare sizes with each other since build costs, build times and even fuel use scale linear

about prices:

not everything in eve makes sense.
mup Deninard
mupcorp
#10 - 2014-03-02 16:29:14 UTC
Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2014-03-02 16:45:09 UTC
mup Deninard wrote:
Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations.


Just bear in mind that with some minimal ice mining, combined with your own PI products, means a fortune in Fuel Blocks way over and above just "mining". I have not mined ore asteroids in well over a year.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-03-03 05:25:54 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Maybe the demand for oxygen isotpoes is higher?there are three caps that use it compared to the other racial isotopes and one of them is a very popular dread (moros). I don't know just a geuss


You never know what will happen 3-6 months down the road.

Might come a day when some of those new, larger structures we haven't seen yet will need "fuels"... as was suggested in one early Dev Blog concerning the future of Rubicon and whatever else happens post-Rubicon.

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Marsan
#13 - 2014-03-03 23:52:59 UTC
Also I wonder if there are still random stockpiles being sold out, and guys based in Gal space due to the interdiction after effects.

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ISD Alliance
#14 - 2014-03-04 00:13:55 UTC
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#15 - 2014-03-04 17:20:10 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
based on tower sales in jita the gallente large tower is the most popular, followed by the caldari large

the gallente small and medium towers are the most popular in their respective size.

there may be more caldari towers out there, mainly because they hardly ever get destroyed but the gallente towers are the highest in demand.


Lets see this list of tower sales in Jita then.

Also, if they are, then what is your reasoning for the low price of Blue Ice/Oxy Iso ????? Let's hear it. I mean...that's the point of this thread.

The only time it was most valuable was when it was Interdicted.
Just to elaborate on the other answer to this - Here are the large tower sales from the beginning of feb to date in the forge region (obtained from eve-marketdata):
Cal 1347
Gal 1324
Ama 595
Min 521

So the Gallente tower certainly sells well. High sec towers are indeed more likely to be Caldari, but more high sec towers are kept offline when not in use or just set to hold a moon. 24/7 towers (the ones that burn the most fuel) will more often than not be in low/null and run to pump materials from moons, since they generally provide passive income over and above the fuel costs.

As for the price, I'd propose the following. Oxygen isotopes are very popular, and have been for a long time. For this reason, people have set up to mine more oxygen isotopes. Many ice miners are likely to stick to single areas, rather than moving every time the price fluctuates a bit, stockpiling in the worst of the troughs. So I'd expect it's simply a high supply-lower demand issue. They don't seem to have dipped to a shockingly low price.

Really the question should be "What is prompting the spike in price for the other isotopes" to which I'd suggest "War" as the answer.

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mup Deninard
mupcorp
#16 - 2014-03-04 19:04:44 UTC
Makes sense thanks
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#17 - 2014-03-05 23:03:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
mup Deninard wrote:
Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations.


Just bear in mind that with some minimal ice mining, combined with your own PI products, means a fortune in Fuel Blocks way over and above just "mining". I have not mined ore asteroids in well over a year.





You mean doing a stupid amount of PI and ice mining generates wealth? Why I never...


Of course it's not like you could just sell the products of either.....
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
#18 - 2014-03-06 17:29:39 UTC
I would like to point out that the law of Supply and Demand doesn't really care what is most popular vs what is least popular. The onlly thing that matters is the balance between production and consumption.

If more isotopes are produced than consumed, the price can be expected to go down.
If more are consumed than produced, the price can be expected to go up.

So you tell me that oxygen isotopes are the cheapest. That doesn't tell me whether the Gallente towers and capital ships are the most popular, or least popular, or somewhere in between. What it does tell me is that there are more ice miners in Gallente space than are needed to fulfill the current demand.

This balance is temporary, of course. If the prices stay this way for a while, you can expect some miners to leave Gallente space and produce a different isotope. That will put upward pressure on the price of Oxygen, but downward pressure on the price of whatever new isotope they are making. Then prices will find a new equilibrium.

So the question is, do you want to be one of the people moving around to chase the highest profit, or will you accept lesser income for the convenience of staying where you currently are?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2014-03-06 17:39:52 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
mup Deninard wrote:
Well thanks for your replies. Seems like a multitude of reasons for the low price but was hoping to hear that it was just a temporaryllullin prices. Yes dave stark I took your advice and did some calculations.


Just bear in mind that with some minimal ice mining, combined with your own PI products, means a fortune in Fuel Blocks way over and above just "mining". I have not mined ore asteroids in well over a year.





You mean doing a stupid amount of PI and ice mining generates wealth? Why I never...


Of course it's not like you could just sell the products of either.....


No thanks for that bad advice.

In the batches I produce (12,000 blocks), for about 135M ISK more than the raw product sales total.

So no, in my case selling the individual products would be idiotic.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-03-06 23:11:08 UTC
shhht, don't tell anyone how to make sweet sweet ISK :D
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