Player Features and Ideas Discussion

are u serious?

1) large ships are more powerful in brute force, but they are not better. speed and agility is a power all its own. Battleships are balanced to be weaker against smaller fast moving ships that they cant hit. Otherwise there would be no point in flying smaller ships.

2) u train PvP skills to be more effective in the ships u fly. but if a noob comes in a ship that counters urs and is a decent pilot, u have to work very hard not to die. that is the beauty of eve, that a noob can jump ina frig and be effective at PvP.

Eve is not a game where older = better, nor does bigger = better. Every ship has its Achilles heel, and for larger ships that usually comes in the form of much smaller ships.

Not sure why my original content didn't post. Essentially, you need to prove there is a problem before you can try creating a solution.

You haven't put forward any problem. Furthermore, your line of thinking is entirely off base with the nature of EVE Online. To be able to continue with a discussion that has any semblence of reason, you must first understand the basic concepts that EVE builds upon.

I already addressed this, they would still be useful as tackle in pvp by keeping the ship there long enough for their friends to show up since that was your argument. As i said i just don't think its reasonable that one could hold a ship there for more then a a few minuets while you cant always kill the tackle. The logical reason is that a b.s. Has more scan strength and is harder to ecm so why not more engine strength and harder to scram?

A small T2 ship could still lock down a B.S. permanently which means you wouldn't have to rely on friends if you put in the Isk/time

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The ship size RPS system is a core principal of EvE. Stop trying to request balancing towards your wannabe wtfbbqpwn boat.

but if hes brought the perfect counter to ur ship, why shouldnt he kill u? because he isnt as old as u? and why should ppl have to use a T2 scram for any decent form of tackling? i often use meta scrams for cheap fits or to save on CPU when i fly amarr. u'd be relegating meta scrams to that of the current civilian scrams.

larger ships are often weaker to e-war. ECM, locking range and optimal range disruption are the only form of e-war with a trend that larger ships are resistant. where as; target painting affects larger ships more, scan res dampening affects larger ships more, tracking disruption affects larger ships more. so its more like 50/50.

noob tackling has been championed as entry level PvP for longer than ive been playing. can u come up with a good gameplay reason for nerfing that? or for nerfing the balancing factor where BS's are vulnerable to small ships, even noob small ships?

'just cause im in a bigger more expensive ship that took longer to skill into' only advocates that bigger should be better, that older should be better and that richer should be better.

yes, frigs have a major advantage against battleships, and cruisers have a major advantage against frigs and battleships have a major advantage against cruisers. rock paper scissors. isnt it great.


fitting tackle does not make u a tackler, and not being a tackler doesnt mean u should never bring tackle.



what?

i can tell u that CCP try and give all ships their Achilles heels. and one such heel for battleships is smaller ships

i am sorry i was rushed and the rest did not seam to post.

My point is simple, it would just add another layer to the game in the form of a more diverse warp system. None of my suggestions (i hope) would render a T1 frig utterly useless just keep it from having the ability to utterly solo larger ships indefinitely.

*Quietly sobs in a corner with a dictionary.

Gameplay wise though, he is entirely correct. Small stuff tackling big stuff and big stuff being less effective or completely ineffective vs small stuff is the base of PvP in this game.

As an example, CCP has been progressively nerfing capital and supercapital ability to effectively fight smaller ships for a very long time based on this principle. Titans used to be AOE subcap deathmobiles, then got moved to single target super death laser boats, then their tracking which permitted them to hit subcaps with guns was nerfed, then they removed the ability to use the death laser on subcaps.

Supercarriers went through the same phases where their ability to damage smaller ships was stripped from them until they can now only field fighters and fighter bombers.

Subcaps follow a similar order, forcing larger ships to bring along smaller friends to provide an anti-tackle role for facing enemies which their weapons are ineffective against. Being at least slightly effective from day 1 is very important to retaining people in this game. "Slowing down a target for a few seconds before it can warp" is not effective at all.

-1 to the idea. Poorly thought out concept in direct opposite of the governing PvP concepts in eve.

unsupported large ships are supposed to be helpless against large numbers of small ships; that is the point!

If you take tackle away from frigates what is their purpose?

I am not taking it away completely just making it harder for a SINGLE T1 SHIP to completely overpower a lone B.S. I am all for a B.S. to be helpless against a large number of small ships. Hence my comet about Swarm and Pack tactics.



"dumb"Not a very informative response. how is it dumb? How would it not do what i propose?