Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1. I don't think your justification makes any sense. It's not because it's a larger ship that it's harder to disrupt. Give me a bucket full of water and i'll disrupt your smartphone and your computer just the same, even if one is much bigger than the other one :). And redundant systems ... Warp Core Stabs ?

2. This would completely ruin the gameplay imo. Some mechanics are simple and are supposed to be simple so the game can actually be played and relatively balanced.

3. Your last suggestion doesn't help, your system would still mean a battleship is completely immune to a tackling frigate. How can this be a good thing ?

Big no for me.

This could work but it needs to be broken down a bit more.
Take the existing ship sizes:
Small, medium, large, capital.

Give them all an "engine strength" of that size.

Then give them all disrupters of their size category (like neuts).

Make larger disrupters effect small ships
But small disrupters are chance based against large ships

To make things work "properly" with ship roles,

Interceptors would be capable of fitting battleship-sized tackle, or have a huge chance bonus.

So now you agree with me at least that warp stabs work. With a system that is built into a ship like the engine though shouldn't it be scaled like the other systems on board such as scan strength.

Well while i agree it may encourage outnumbering, that ship sailed a long time ago. It has happened and numbers already mean everything in this game. and i am not saying you cant still lock down a target but it would make it so that if you want to kill a battleship you need something of the same class or a number of smaller ships.

Who said anything about killing smaller pvp ships, the T2 variations would still be able to tackle bigger ships and if the bigger ship couldn't kill you before they still wont be able to just have the option of warping off or holding you until out of range.

Also to counteract this problem make the webs effect ships based off Sig radius so the smaller ships can speed tank easier or just fly out of range.

Where at? i would love to see why, i did not know this since it wasn't on the Commonly Proposed Ideas Thread as far as i could tell.

Well i could but since you brought it up i figured you would be the one defending your position(if you even have one) instead of having me do it for you.

This is off topic though and not constructive towards the idea one way or the other though so i will let it slide.

Well you are correct sir. Thank you for the link and directing me to it so i did not have to do the work myself Edit:(as i am quite lazy and did not wish to spend hours searching for something you already had information on) and since there idea is similar i hope the Devs can move my input onto his thread or visa versa

That would be a great idea, especially since they have already been working on changing the align/warp time of each ship size.

The problem here is that there is no good reason to add this feature. Your only reason for adding this type of feature is because you say it makes no sense to you. There are a lot of things in EVE that don't make logical sense. We sacrifice those things in the spirit of a game that's more fun than it is realistic. These are game design decisions that are made in the interest of players.

The idea of making it so that larger ships are capable of ignoring, for all intents and purposes, single, smaller ships adds only one thing: ease of escape. As has been already mentioned, we need an EVE where things are dying, and often. If someone wants to have a higher chance of evasion, they should sacrifice something - which is what we already have. You have to sacrifice a potentially useful module for another module which helps you escape attackers.

It's bad game design to allow an innate advantage for ships to avoid combat simply because of their size. This does two things, both of which are detrimental to the game's health at large:

1. It makes larger ships too powerful.
You mention that to tackle a battleship you'd need multiple frigates or another battleship. Battleships are not made to tackle other things. Their slow speed and focused module purpose make getting in range to apply a point is unecessarily difficult. Thus, the larger the ship, the easier it is to simply leave when tackled by smaller ships. I read what you said about multiple frigates, but the fact is, people are not dumb; often times you only have time for one ship to make the difference.

2. It makes smaller ships too weak.
New players are instantly able to offer meaningful assistance in any fleet framework by flying tackle. These players are new to the game, they're not masters. They're learning mechanics, terminology, and much, much more. Making their life more difficult is the exact opposite tack that EVE Online should be taking. Furthermore, frigates already have substantial downsides to their vital upsides. They are easily destroyed if damaged.

There is a careful, albeit imperfect, balancing act between all ship classes in EVE. The smaller ships MUST remain viable, effective tool for experienced and new players alike, and taking away their main function can only damage the game. I'm afraid that I see no benefit whatsoever to this idea.

1. I do agree it makes larger ships more powerful but isn't that the point, To grow and try to get the larger expensive ships? Putting time into and training for them over the years with the reason of becoming more powerful. As for Frigs being easily destroyed this is true but only if you can catch them and as you suggest battleships are not made to tackle so why make them do it. Frigs are supposed to be fast and weak ships, Hard to hit but when you can hit them they should be ripped apart by massive guns.

2. New players should not be instantly useful in pvp vs lvl 5 players who have years on them unless that older player fail fits their ship to high hell. Why take the time to train pvp skills at all then if that is your line of thinking. Just use a blob of free noob ships with point and ab then hammer away at them while the bs cant hit back after its drones are dead.
(more often now new players are just alts if they can handle this task in the first place and i know the example above is extreme)