EVE General Discussion

If you are a combat pilot and within 1 month can not get skills trained up to be effective in a frig than you simply fail at planning your skill training. Basically after a few hours of training you can fly a tackling frig. All you need is electronic warfare and some basic navigation skills to fit a prop mod.



Again the false mindset of "bigger is better". Frigs are not the weakest combat ships, hell i have seen ppl in badgers taking down battleships and frigattes sure as hell are more deadly than battlebadgers.

In EvE there is no best, it is all situational and well flown low skill frig under the right circumstances can take down a Battleship.. even solo.



Actually... you can fight people solo and win, given you know what you are doing, what to expect from the enemy ship and by learning how to counter the setup he most likely is using. Being able to make your decisions from your enemies behaviour and adjusting your tactic to the enemies setup is what makes the difference in most 1v1 fights unless you think of fighting as 2 ships standing still in front of each other and just unloading into each others face -> which is the only case where skillpoints would actually be the deciding factor.



Nobody is stopping you from maxing out your frig skills and it does not take nearly as long to be on par with other in that ship class as you seem to be thinking. Having 100 mil sp spread out over 4 races and all subcap classes gives me the chance to choose from many ships, but the amount of sp effecting each single ship classes is a lot lower than that, especially for frigs.
And show me just 1 game with character progression where a higher level char will not stomp you into the ground.

Since I played a bit SWG the last days again I will go with that as an example.
If a Level 30 char runs around in a level 20 Area and 100 level 20s go and attack him he will take exactly 0 damage and will slaughter them all.

Something like that is not possible in EvE. No matter how many sp you have... even a team of 2 low sp chars can take you down easily if they know what they are doing. And yes.. you will have a hard time solo for a long time but even though you will never admit this, it is because of the lack of experience and knowledge that you will get killed and with your mindset this will never change, no matter how many sp you get. Especially in 1v1 situations.

It's only a spectacularly horrible self-righteous attitude towards the people who disagree with me, or wish to contribute towards the negativity that is so ever present on these forums by bandwagoning insults in an attempt elicit an emotional response so they can feel they've had an impact on someone.

I think it's safe to say, concerning the total number of people who play EVE compared to how many people post on the EVE forums, there potentially could be more people who view the way I act as perfectly legitimate than there could be people claiming those who wish to support others choice to steal is legitimate.

I doubt you'll agree though. Judging by the way you post towards me, I'm willing to bet you both disagree with my opinion and wish to insult me hoping to elicit an emotional response from me so you can feel you've had an impact.

No, you're wrong. Of course I'll admit it. But because I don't have the proper skills trained because I haven't had enough time, I'll not be able to tell if my loss is due to my bad tactics and choices or if it was because the other guy had more time invested in the right places.

When I lose, I don't get to see all of his fittings. I don't "know" what went wrong.

Because there's a really high chance he's got higher skill points in the right places compared to me, I crucial variable of the equation is missing. I don't get to try and solve it because all I know is what I have and lost. Was it his ship fittings? Was it mine? Was it the tactic? I can't even begin to know because maybe he has better skills.

Maybe I played it right. Maybe the only reason I lost is because he has better skills.

Maybe the only reason I lost is because he has better fittings.

Maybe I played it poorly.

Maybe he's really good.

All of those are possibilities, but I cannot know because since I know my skills are lower and I lost, I can't even begin to pin point where the problem is. Tactics and fittings never get to come into the equation because even with the best tactics and best fittings, due to skills I can still lose.

Is it 100% always my fault? Is it always because I played it wrong? I can't know that because my skills are holding me back from my potential, and as a new player you don't know the potential.

Then group up with several other new players and look for solo targets. I guarantee you, that 3-5 newb-skilled frigates can raise quite a hell for even advanced player. Esp. if one of them is a racial jammer fitted griffin.

But then again, there is *effort* and *thinking* involved in this.

I've already thought about it. Thanks for choosing to imply I'm lazy and don't like thinking about things.

Honestly you could've left that out but I guess you felt it necessary to want to try and prove something to me. And you did, you did prove something to me.

Fly in a fleet: I don't want to. Could I? Sure. There is zero solo pvp experience for a new player. I want to solo pvp against others looking for solo pvp and WIN. Do I have to win everytime? NOooooo! Do I need to win alot? Not even! Would I like to win occasionally? A few wins sprinlked into the piles of defeat? yes.

Does it happen as a new player, less than 1 month old? No.

First off, I would like to say thanks for making a post in this thread on this topic explaining an issue you've directly encountered with potential new players to the EVE Online universe.

I agree with the majority of your post.

Not to pick on you, but I'd like to use what I quoted, your #6 to express my own opinion on that subject.

That's actually one of the aspects of this game I like. It's alot to learn. I enjoy learning. It gives me another interesting thing to think about. All of the different possibilities, the potential, it's all captivating.

But then back to the rest of your post, it's very disheartening that upon realization after many hours of ecstatic research and theory crafting, that it will probably take months to start seeing real, impressive results.

All of my friends that I encouraged to take a look at EvE said that it looked like a cool game, but in the end they didn't continue playing.
All for the same reason: skill queue online.
They were very hyped up about certain activities (wormholes, low sec roaming, incursions,etc.) but then they realized that it would take at least several weeks of skill queuing before they could start playing they way they wanted.

I'm scared 5h17less a great deal of my time in EVE.

And I haven't even started doing the really risky stuff yet.
Nor would I have it any other way.

I think its absolutely awesome how suddenly completely out of the blue, a situation occurs and adrenaline starts pumping, my hands start shaking to where my micro is like Michael J Foxes, carefully practiced plans and preparation go out the window and the game is ON!

You are wrong. Listen to the advice given in this topic. Learning to play this games needs an investment in time, as does every game. What is not to understand about this?

It doesn't need an "investment" in time. investment of time would mean require me to log in and advance myself.

All this needs is "time" for the skill queue to advance. I could very well accomplish that offline. Which Offline Online doesn't sound very fun.

Winning 1v1's would be fun! but I can't do that because I have to wait a long "time"

I've spoken with many non-biased persons about the potential for solo 1v1ing as a new player. The answer always is: You're gonna have a bad time.