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Worlds Within a World - The EVE Universe Monument

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#261 - 2014-02-05 23:43:02 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
can i have one for my garden?

monument4plex


We could have a usb hub version for our desktops.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#262 - 2014-02-05 23:47:17 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
My main problem with this is the cost !


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Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city.

What does this cost ???

3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ??? Shocked


Yeah.... in the real world (the world outside the US, yes there is a world outside the US) a statue like that probably wouldn't cost more than... a guestimate... 10.000 dollars. At most.

Which, in the grand sceme of things, isn't all that much. A single one of those fired employees would have gotten to keep his job for like 3 or 4 months longer for that sort of money.

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#263 - 2014-02-05 23:49:25 UTC
I expected a crappy useless mobile app

I hoped for some glimpses about the secret projects the CSM could not talk about

I got trolled with a monument

10/10
Brad314
Perkone
Caldari State
#264 - 2014-02-05 23:54:10 UTC
Smells like Icelandic tax break to me.
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#265 - 2014-02-06 01:15:09 UTC
Playing a video game, even one as engrossing as EVE, is hardly some sort of lifetime achievement or anything. My concern is that by celebrating it in a manner normally reserved for the big events of history we are sending the wrong message, both to the players and the outside world.

Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives. A monument usually commemorates something significant or important in local, national, or world events; and a monument to gaming would indicate to some that video games are on a similar level of importance, and something to be proud of rather than just a way to fill one's free time. The people who buy into this may be few, but it can still be damaging.

The outside world will probably get the impression that we all have just such an opinion of ourselves. The message will be that EVE players are a bunch of self important geeks who have gotten so lost in their little virtual world that they have completely lost their grip on reality. How many new players do you think are going to want to jump into a game full of delusional egotists?

I've already shown the announcements about this monument to a few friends and coworkers. Their collective reaction can be summed up by the words of one of them: "That's dumb!" They were all confused, at first thinking that it must be some sort of in-game thing. When I explained that it was to be a real monument in Iceland, they were shocked at the stupidity of it, especially after I told them how the company had been laying people off just a few months ago. They think that CCP has lost its sense of priority to say the least. There was concern that a game company would neglect the health of the game itself and instead choose to invest in sucha pointless display. One of them commented, "I keep wanting to try EVE, but then something like this happens." It was also observed that CCP "must be rather full of themselves." These are people who were excited to read about the Battle of B-R5RB, but now their opinion of the company behind the game has done a 180.

So there is my anecdotal evidence, but it may be a warning sign that this monument may not generate the sort of publicity that is good for EVE.
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2014-02-06 01:30:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Deka Ekato
Anticlimatic.

For a gaming development company, this is just a waste of money.

Let the Arts be funded by other organisations, and you CCP should focus on doing your job.

Edit.

CCP, this piece of Art should not be called or described as a monument.

Monuments are only for real life heros and for "The Fallen".AttentionAttentionAttention
Kethry Avenger
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#267 - 2014-02-06 01:35:21 UTC
While I'm sure this has been expressed already, I feel the need to add my voice.

Really! Really!?!

While I like monument, and the thought that went into it and what it will be. I do not think it needed a countdown clock.

At least not on the main community page for EVE Online. I personally feel you should use countdown clocks on the main page for one of a variation of announcing a new major game feature, the time when some new secret feature goes live on the server with a gentle hint to go looking for it, for a massive in game live event, or possibly as an epic April fool's joke.

But out of game activities should be covered on a different website, with just a link to a press release here. If the countdown clock had been on the CCP webpage I would be cool with that.


Now after the bitchen I do have a question?

How are you going to get 500,000 plus character names put on metal plates in less than 2 months time?
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#268 - 2014-02-06 01:51:40 UTC
Add my name to the list of those thinking this a waste of money. If that means a fake name I use for the game ends up not being on some piece of stone I'll never see, so be it. I don't care.

But its 'marketing' I hear some people argue. It may be an attempt at marketing, but it won't successful. I don't see how CCP could ever get enough new subscriptions to pay for the cost of the monument. There is a reason no other game company has done this before. None of them were stupid enough to think it would be a successful marketing gimmick.

MuraSaki Siki
ChuangShi
Fraternity.
#269 - 2014-02-06 02:12:15 UTC
one questions :

Would the players in Serenity be included?
Seras Victoria Egivand
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#270 - 2014-02-06 02:27:54 UTC
Magica de Plex wrote:
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:
SIrera Artrald wrote:
WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!

Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game.



Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent.

I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this?

Thats were were confused.


Who are those "we" you pretend to represent?

Speak for yourself, tyvm.


if it cost them between 5-10 million dollars to build.. Its taking away from eve.. With that much money u know how many developers and staff they could have kept and manned for the next year to 2 years to fix game mechanics to implement new features and so forth.. While its a great idea i don't think at this time it was a thing they should be doing.
Myxx
The Scope
#271 - 2014-02-06 03:08:58 UTC
hey, cool. i was expecting a falcon troll.

instead its a pretty cool monument with an awesome concept.
SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
#272 - 2014-02-06 04:05:02 UTC
Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . .

Life is a bitch but she's totally doable. She may be a beauty but life, life is a bitch.

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2014-02-06 04:21:03 UTC
Quote:
Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear --
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.'

Percy Bysshe Shelley


Personally I like it. But then I may see it differently than you do.

I agree as a marketing ploy it is weak. But I don't see it as that.

I see it as a thank you to the players of a game that has outlasted all expectations of the market. That keeps growing and evolving (Don't tell Ken Ham)

It may have some ego in it but I like to think it invites ALL of us to be a part of that pride. Otherwise it would just have CCP names on it.

My mother made a donation to the Trans Canada trail and my name is etched in marble, a few miles from my house. I take a bit of pride in that it will be there long after I a gone. In the same way I will like to know that my name will be on another island, far far from where I am.

I like it

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Ashala Arcsylver
Gypsy Rose Mining
#274 - 2014-02-06 05:24:31 UTC
Thank you CCP for acknowledging the players who have helped make Eve what it is today. I look forward to maybe someday being able to afford a trip to Fanfest to see this artwork and finding my Characters name on it.

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Seras Victoria Egivand
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#275 - 2014-02-06 05:36:55 UTC
SIrera Artrald wrote:
Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . .



land costs money... so unless they were given the land or building it at there headquarters.... They would have to buy it.... That isn't cheep..

also do u even know how much that stuff costs in large volumes + cost of building..
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#276 - 2014-02-06 06:34:48 UTC
Also what would be pretty neat is if the year of birth is next to the pilot name eg John Doe/05 or similar, not sure if that would fit though but it would be nice to have that info apart from the name, adding some more depth into it.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#277 - 2014-02-06 06:51:53 UTC
Eve players, we can find reason to ***** about anything. Never change, guys.


As for the monument..a piece of art in Iceland with my character name on it, pretty nifty.

Kind of silly to be whinging about the cost, too. Pretty sure CCP is getting a good deal all-round for it. Being a pretty reasonable chunk of your countries GDP gives you some perks when it comes to stuff like this.

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Magica de Plex
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#278 - 2014-02-06 07:12:14 UTC
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:
Magica de Plex wrote:
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:
SIrera Artrald wrote:
WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!

Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game.



Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent.

I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this?

Thats were were confused.


Who are those "we" you pretend to represent?

Speak for yourself, tyvm.


if it cost them between 5-10 million dollars to build.. Its taking away from eve.. With that much money u know how many developers and staff they could have kept and manned for the next year to 2 years to fix game mechanics to implement new features and so forth.. While its a great idea i don't think at this time it was a thing they should be doing.


Where do you get those numbers from? At least now you can write "I" when you mean yourself, which is progress I guess, but throwing those numbers around show once more you really are disconnected from reality. Arguments are best based on facts, or your view on facts, and not making stuff up as you go along.

Personally I think it's way cool. One day the servers will shut down, but that monument will stand.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#279 - 2014-02-06 07:21:47 UTC
jolanai wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Some day, ... I'll constantly bicker on about how things used to be better in my days and that game companies used to value their customers until they can recite everything tehy said in their sleep.


Is this your CSM application? If so, you have my vote.


Lol, that came unexpected. Cool

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Rayford Carpathia
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#280 - 2014-02-06 07:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Rayford Carpathia
CCP, you're a very creative game developer and I like that. I absolutely love the way your creativity tends to extend out of game on occasion. Our capsuleers will end up outliving EVE and very possibly our mortal bodies by the immortalization of their names on the monument.

Keep up the great work and thank you for always trying to keep things new and fresh for us. Can't wait to see it when I finally make the trip to Fanfest.

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