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Worlds Within a World - The EVE Universe Monument

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Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#201 - 2014-02-05 18:55:34 UTC
I got up this morning and kept an eye on the final hour of the countdown while I got ready for work. When the timer hit 0, and this was revealed, I was severely underwhelmed to say the least.

Put simply, this is not something which will have any impact on any aspect of my life, ever. I feel pretty confident in presuming that the same is true for the vast majority of EVE players. It's an expensive piece of stone, glass, and steel that will sit in a country most of us will never visit, proclaiming a list of fictional names to people who will never care who we are or were.

Let's keep some perspective people: this is a computer game, a pastime to while away the hours; not exactly something worthy of a monument.

And the fact is, we pay for a computer game; is it that unreasonable to expect that our subscriptions would be put to work to maintain and improve that game? Malcanis can come in here and talk "marketing" all he wants, but if this monument is anything close to the various sculptures and other art projects my useless local government is so fond of putting up, then the cost of it would be enough to pay the salaries of three to four programmers for a year at the very least (some of the more expensive ones could have easily funded 10 or more). The monument might bring back a few old players for a month to get their names included, but by and large they would just unsub after that. Four more programmers might be able to code up the features that would bring those players back and keep them for much longer than that. Flashy spectacles might draw people to the game, but real substance is what keeps them here.

Make no mistake, this is nothing for the players, it has nothing to do with the players. This is a monument only to the ego of Hilmar Peturson and the self-importance of CCP. They have become so intoxicated with the idea of their own greatness, that they can do no wrong, and must be memorialized with a monument that will last long after their servers have failed. I guess that despite past claims, they really have learned nothing from the reactions of their customers. The hubris sickens me.

I've worn the uniform of my country; if I were to be called on to do so again, and I died on the battlefield, then you may consider putting my real name up on a piece of stone for all to see. But Kirren D'marr is just a figment of my imagination who matters to no one but me, and is in no way deserving of any sort of memorialization. This "monument" is an insult; feel free to leave me out of it.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah.


Again, this is a computer game! Comparing a monument to a recreational pastime in any way, shape, or form to a monument honoring soldiers who gave their lives defending the freedoms of others is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#202 - 2014-02-05 19:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Dear CCP, my current sub ends in less than 2 days time. Do I have to unsub for a month in order to not have my characters name in that tombstone, or can we just post in a "Sign me out scotty" thread to get signed off? Thanks in advance for the answer.
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#203 - 2014-02-05 19:09:23 UTC
This is a pretty awesome thing. Kudos to CCP for this real world immortalization. It'd be cool to see my name etched in stone.

To all the "it's not in game and doesn't affect me" rabble: Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier. What else has happened in your life to give you that honor? Especially since you didn't have to die gloriously to get it Smile
CCP Falcon
#204 - 2014-02-05 19:16:19 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
the monument page wrote:
CCP will be honoring EVE Online players who have passed away by adding their names to the monument, as described in the following section.
This bit appears to be missing from the page, I've looked it over a couple of times and can't find any further information regarding it.

More info required, many of those that have passed away hold a special place in players hearts.


There is a process for this. Attempted abuse will be met with extreme sanctions.

Rightly so, abuse of this should be severely punished.


I'll be looking over each one of these cases personally, and will see to it that anyone who attempts to abuse this process receives their just desserts.

Smile

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Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#205 - 2014-02-05 19:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Silent Rambo
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Kirren D'marr is just a figment of my imagination who matters to no one but me, and is in no way deserving of any sort of memorialization.


Basically this. I feel bad pooing on everyone's parade, and I don't usually like to be cynical but its a computer game. Its a very interesting game, and has a lot of social value and aspects that make it a real work of art. But the game is what is the art. A monument is redundant, and seems very ego driven and shallow.

The exhibit at the Modern museum of art wasn't some abstract representation of human computer interaction. It was to show the beauty of what we have all created, and the life that has been sparked inside a virtual world. We didn't need to have our names etched on something to care, because just seeing something we loved out there, and for people to get a glimpse of the beautiful world that exists because of us was in itself a reward. Eve is art. Its a grand social and economic experiment which hundreds of thousands of players are a part of. This monument is a very inappropriate representation of this idea in my opinion.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?

Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#206 - 2014-02-05 19:18:55 UTC
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
This is a pretty awesome thing. Kudos to CCP for this real world immortalization. It'd be cool to see my name etched in stone.

To all the "it's not in game and doesn't affect me" rabble: Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier. What else has happened in your life to give you that honor? Especially since you didn't have to die gloriously to get it Smile


That's just it, we didn't do anything to deserve such an honor; we played a game!!! It's a fun game, but trying to put it on the same level as such real world achievements or sacrifices, and trying to equate our fictional characters with such real individuals is incredibly pretentious and egotistical.

If you think having your character's name on this monument means something, then you really need to log out, go outside, and experience the real world for awhile. If you really want to be memorialized for decades to come, why not go out and do something with your life worthy of such recognition? If you already have, then what does this monument matter to you?

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#207 - 2014-02-05 19:22:43 UTC
Define Main Character Please...


CCP is in the mood to make historical marks lately.

The younger players may have difficulty with understanding the relative time space a monument exists, but I can appreciate the symbol.

Thank you CCP for doing this for the player community even if some do not care or do not understand the relevance of the symbol.





Now is your chance to take advantage of the Sidekick promotion at $24.99 and possibly get a new "main" name on the monument instead of that one you chose years ago that really doesn't suite your personality.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#208 - 2014-02-05 19:36:28 UTC
Jena Jamson wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jena Jamson wrote:
"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014—no exceptions."

Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included?


You know what the answer is perfectly well.


Eh, not really cause the sentence before that says:

"The monument will stand atop a half meter tall metal-plated concrete platform that will have the names of all the “main characters” of all active EVE Online players etched upon it. "

So please clarify this for us, CCP.


When I activate with PLEX, I get a message clearly stating "Account Activated until (date)", so make of that whatever you wish.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#209 - 2014-02-05 19:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier.


What? And you think I was gonna let them carve my name among these peasants'? LOL you gotta be kidding me. Matar LP Lord YoloSwaggster 420 deserves a bigger statue than that.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#210 - 2014-02-05 19:39:59 UTC
A RL monument feels a bit misplaced for an online game, beside the waste of $.
It sounds like a marketing stunt or an ego boost for the people who already think that Eve is real but hey they will have their fantasy login name on a rock.

Next time develop a big thing for all the players; like dynamic places to explore, dynamic missions, PVE-PVP dynamic events like Sabriz suggested, less TiDi, and so on. The Todolist is already full.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#211 - 2014-02-05 19:43:26 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:


Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah.


Again, this is a computer game! Comparing a monument to a recreational pastime in any way, shape, or form to a monument honoring soldiers who gave their lives defending the freedoms of others is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.



The point, which you obviously missed in your overzealous hasty hatred of this thing, was the unbelievable whining about the Vienam Memorials purpose and design back in the 80s. This has nothing to do with anything relating to a comparison between the military and a video game. That is a fabrication of your own imagination and nothing else.

Sorry, but the world has not provided me with another video game player monument to compare it too. I'm pretty much restricted in example to use only military based monuments, and unknown monuments to unknown bridge builders and such.

Get a freakin grip.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#212 - 2014-02-05 19:45:43 UTC
Techpriest Arcterran wrote:
How many times will this monument be urinated on?


I'm greatly looking forward to the reports of frostbite in sensitive areas that result from this.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#213 - 2014-02-05 19:47:14 UTC
Also, this is possibly the most convoluted method imaginable of answering the long-standing question of how many actual real life players Eve has.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#214 - 2014-02-05 19:48:15 UTC
Karl Jerr wrote:
A RL monument feels a bit misplaced for an online game, beside the waste of $.
It sounds like a marketing stunt or an ego boost for the people who already think that Eve is real but hey they will have their fantasy login name on a rock.

Next time develop a big thing for all the players; like dynamic places to explore, dynamic missions, PVE-PVP dynamic events like Sabriz suggested, less TiDi, and so on. The Todolist is already full.



How many CCP employees do you think are going to be pulled out of the main office and over to smelt at the Foundry ?????

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#215 - 2014-02-05 19:50:09 UTC
I feel a LOT of people are missing the point here.

This monument isn't just a matter of 'yay spaceships'. It's a genuine real life tribute to one of the largest export products in Iceland and the accomplishments CCP Games made in the last 10 years. The amount of people in this thread who are so self centered to think everything should be coming back to them in some form is really disgusting to be honest.

What's next? We're going to bash on CCP because they spend your subscription money on a new vending machine in the cafeteria? Get real people, just dig deep into your bitterness and find the little bit of empathy you have left to congratulate CCP as a company for accomplishing stuff like this.

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Gerald Sphinx
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2014-02-05 19:50:38 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
That's just it, we didn't do anything to deserve such an honor; we played a game!!!


"Didn't do anything"? The vast majority of the events that unfolded in the past 11 years were OUR doing. These events within the game are what helped Eve Online capture the hearts and minds of new players who never heard of Eve Online. Are you saying these events that were the result of us "doing something" mean practically nothing to you?
Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#217 - 2014-02-05 19:51:05 UTC
Monument was revealed. It is going to contain all active capsuleer mains.

How about ISD volunteers, CSM members, CCP Game Masters, CCP Developers? I propose you could have all these people names in this monument. All present AND all past people who have contributed so much to EVE online development and community.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#218 - 2014-02-05 19:51:11 UTC
Were it "up to me"™, I would go further on the "worlds within worlds" theme:


1. On the monument, instead of mirrors in the central part, large LCD screens with some cameras stationed on it.
2. An identical monument in the game, on a planet or in a station somewhere. The central piece would have a video feed of what the RL monument is "seeing".
3. The RL monument has the actual-in game view of what the in-game monument is "seeing".


That way when you see the RL monument you can see who in the game is at the monument. In game you see what's going on around the RL monument. That's a world-within-a world for you and a high level of epic.

Entire articles would be written about this "bridge between MMO and the real world".

Though we can probably file that under "easier said than done". Oh the cost...

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David Przybyciel
Darktrace
Reeloaded.
#219 - 2014-02-05 19:52:28 UTC
I don,t know what worse the fact us Eve players don't want this or the fact that the DUST Bunny's are crying over it !
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Gerald Sphinx
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2014-02-05 19:54:28 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Were it "up to me"™, I would go further on the "worlds within worlds" theme:


1. On the monument, instead of mirrors in the central part, large LCD screens with some cameras stationed on it.
2. An identical monument in the game, on a planet or in a station somewhere. The central piece would have a video feed of what the RL monument is "seeing".
3. The RL monument has the actual-in game view of what the in-game monument is "seeing".


That way when you see the RL monument you can see who in the game is at the monument. In game you see what's going on around the RL monument. That's a world-within-a world for you and a high level of epic.

Entire articles would be written about this "bridge between MMO and the real world".

Though we can probably file that under "easier said than done". Oh the cost...


Too expensive. The electrical bill would be too high.