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Starting a PVP corp in low sec

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Destla Mikakka
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-01-29 21:49:53 UTC
Hey, I have been thinking of starting a corp of my own to pew pew ect, but I lack some experience in this area. I was hoping some people here could help me out. Firstly, let me go through my current situation and what I have planned for the corp.

I am around 6 months old in this game with 8m skill points, going on 9. To many I am still considered new, but I know a lot about PvP (I would consider, at least) and the basics of not being an idiot on EVE.

I have found a system which I think would be good for a pirate corp. It is 0.4 and in the middle of a pipe of high sec systems (a trade hub is only 4 jumps away) and the other way a pipe of null sec systems. If people want to go roaming in other close by low sec systems you only need to go through one null sec one. It also has medical services. Overall I think its a nice system, but the only problem with it is that there is already an alliance there. They are in the same timezone as me as well, but they are not a huge powerful alliance. They were only made around the same time I started EVE, so I think they wouldn't be too much of a problem just to be in the same system with.

I dont have anyone who would join the corp with me, so I would be recruiting from one player. If the people I recruit are active though, would that be a problem?

Also I dont have much in the way of money (about 50m right now), but I was considering something that might bring in money for the corp. If we had enough members willing, it could be a good option to buddy up with a nearby mining corp (there has to some somewhere close by) and offers protection on their mining ops in exchange for isk, that can go to SRP and stuff. I dont know how likely it is that things would go that smoothly though, which is where my lack of experience limits me.

As for my ideas for what the corp would do, mostly small frig/cruiser roams whenever people are up for it, gatecamps from the high sec system (yet to see how the traffic at that gate is) and just PvPing whenever the chance arises.

Now, the reason I am telling you guys all this is because I want advice. I know im probably not the best person in EVE to run a corp, and its probably a crazy idea, but either way I want it to be fun, which I think it will be. However at the same time, I dont want to it be a total wreck because of a stupid decision I made because of the planning.

Thanks in advance.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-29 22:18:55 UTC
Kind of sounds like you're asking permission, so maybe you aren't quite ready to run up the jolly roger.

I can say, with some personal experience, that extorting miners doesn't pay well. In fact, it pays less than mining. So you might want to look around for a mission hub or something else your pirates can do when they aren't too hung over from all the rum drinking.

Fortune favors the bold, go forth with and plant the flag on that lowsec system and bend it to your will. No time like today.

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#3 - 2014-01-29 22:23:25 UTC
The mining corp will be exterminated soon, if they're not already hemmaroging. There is little reason to promote corp prosperity for a low-sec pew corp that does activities to sustain itself, you may as well join a nullsec alliance. For low-sec you should assume your members are self-funded or else provide a system supported (i.e. FW) way of replacing losses. Player contracts simply won't last without some sort of serious pull, one that I suspect you're currently incapable of providing solo.


If you really want to base out of low and only low, lock down a dark glitter system and... Okay no the mining operation, again, has little chance.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#4 - 2014-01-29 22:24:01 UTC
The mining corp will be exterminated soon, if they're not already hemmaroging. There is little reason to promote corp prosperity for a low-sec pew corp that does activities to sustain itself, you may as well join a nullsec alliance. For low-sec you should assume your members are self-funded or else provide a system supported (i.e. FW) way of replacing losses. Player contracts simply won't last without some sort of serious pull, one that I suspect you're currently incapable of providing solo.


If you really want to base out of low and only low, lock down a dark glitter system and... Okay no the mining operation, again, has little chance.
Kryptik Kai
Cool Beans Inc.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2014-01-29 22:31:26 UTC
Lots of lowsec pirate groups you could join first to you know... learn the ropes

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-01-29 22:31:45 UTC
Have you ever been in a player corp yourself? If not, do that first.

Protecting mining ops is possibly more boring and less worthwhile than mining itself, which is saying a lot. Lowsec corps don't generally have SRPs.
Destla Mikakka
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-01-29 22:40:50 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Have you ever been in a player corp yourself? If not, do that first.

Protecting mining ops is possibly more boring and less worthwhile than mining itself, which is saying a lot. Lowsec corps don't generally have SRPs.


I have indeed been in a pirate corp and I have experience in large ops and small gangs. In fact, I was fighting with your alliance against a SCUM pos a few months ago :p

Seeing as a lot of people are saying protecting miners will be bad, I have been looking into the close by mission agents, and it seems there are some good ones. In the system im thinking of starting the corp in, there is a level 1 and 2 security agent, and there is a level 3 and 4 only 2 jumps away. Would basic level 2-3 missions provide enough isk for members to supply themselves?
Yarda Black
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-01-29 22:47:58 UTC
Or instead of debating you just go for it and see what happens.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-01-29 22:55:57 UTC
A level four's fine. Players'll have jump clones to get around and do other things, though, so location matters a lot less than you think. A few will explore locally, run missions, go do incursions, run mining alts, run FW alts or just buy PLEX. Making ISK through piracy is harder, and basically means you'll be gatecamping or running Guardian alts or whatever. Not goodfights.

I don't think many PVP corps bother asking pilots how they make ISK. Personal income is pretty much considered personal responsibility.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-29 23:11:35 UTC
Destla Mikakka wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Have you ever been in a player corp yourself? If not, do that first.

Protecting mining ops is possibly more boring and less worthwhile than mining itself, which is saying a lot. Lowsec corps don't generally have SRPs.


I have indeed been in a pirate corp and I have experience in large ops and small gangs. In fact, I was fighting with your alliance against a SCUM pos a few months ago :p

Seeing as a lot of people are saying protecting miners will be bad, I have been looking into the close by mission agents, and it seems there are some good ones. In the system im thinking of starting the corp in, there is a level 1 and 2 security agent, and there is a level 3 and 4 only 2 jumps away. Would basic level 2-3 missions provide enough isk for members to supply themselves?

You get that wrong.

You want to play pirates.

The logical step is not to tell your members to run missions to make money. That makes no sense at all, if you think about it for a little. What you can do, though, as a group is make mission runners shoot you and ransom them. Farm missions of other people. Suicide gank for ISK in highsec. all nice possibilities within your context. Force members to drop context and your corp is doomed from the getgo.

Need support in getting started? How to do things to make sure people get training or can make money without carebearing? Or afraid of highsec once you hit -5? I have a bee for that...

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-29 23:13:45 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
A level four's fine. Players'll have jump clones to get around and do other things, though, so location matters a lot less than you think. A few will explore locally, run missions, go do incursions, run mining alts, run FW alts or just buy PLEX. Making ISK through piracy is harder, and basically means you'll be gatecamping or running Guardian alts or whatever. Not goodfights.

I don't think many PVP corps bother asking pilots how they make ISK. Personal income is pretty much considered personal responsibility.
That's rather sad to read and sounds like an incredible lack of creativity.

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Destla Mikakka
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-01-29 23:30:19 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

The logical step is not to tell your members to run missions to make money. That makes no sense at all, if you think about it for a little. What you can do, though, as a group is make mission runners shoot you and ransom them. Farm missions of other people. Suicide gank for ISK in highsec. all nice possibilities within your context. Force members to drop context and your corp is doomed from the getgo.


I think you have a good point there. I was mainly considering it as an option, but I very much like the idea of actually killing people for money. For some reason that concept never occurred to me :p Im wondering though, whats the best way of getting hired to do things like suicide gank? Advertise in some way?
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-29 23:36:32 UTC
Destla Mikakka wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

The logical step is not to tell your members to run missions to make money. That makes no sense at all, if you think about it for a little. What you can do, though, as a group is make mission runners shoot you and ransom them. Farm missions of other people. Suicide gank for ISK in highsec. all nice possibilities within your context. Force members to drop context and your corp is doomed from the getgo.


I think you have a good point there. I was mainly considering it as an option, but I very much like the idea of actually killing people for money. For some reason that concept never occurred to me :p Im wondering though, whats the best way of getting hired to do things like suicide gank? Advertise in some way?
Why do you need to get hired in the first place?

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Destla Mikakka
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-01-29 23:38:23 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Why do you need to get hired in the first place?

You were just talking about suicide ganking for isk....im assuming you need to have someone agree to pay you to do that if you want to make money from it?
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-01-29 23:44:15 UTC
Destla Mikakka wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Why do you need to get hired in the first place?

You were just talking about suicide ganking for isk....im assuming you need to have someone agree to pay you to do that if you want to make money from it?

Not necessarily. Looting expensive wrecks or harassing someone into paying for you to leave them alone can put out a nice bit of money. Then again, there are better ways than throwing isk at them and see how much you can recover.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-01-29 23:50:28 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
A level four's fine. Players'll have jump clones to get around and do other things, though, so location matters a lot less than you think. A few will explore locally, run missions, go do incursions, run mining alts, run FW alts or just buy PLEX. Making ISK through piracy is harder, and basically means you'll be gatecamping or running Guardian alts or whatever. Not goodfights.

I don't think many PVP corps bother asking pilots how they make ISK. Personal income is pretty much considered personal responsibility.
That's rather sad to read and sounds like an incredible lack of creativity.

Lowsec PVP corps are not highsec mission griefing corps
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#17 - 2014-01-29 23:59:36 UTC
Destla Mikakka wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Why do you need to get hired in the first place?

You were just talking about suicide ganking for isk....im assuming you need to have someone agree to pay you to do that if you want to make money from it?


You have it all wrong, friend. Listen to what Angelica is telling you. If you want to make isk from killing people, you don't need to get hired to do that. You need to find people with ships, cargoes, and/or fittings that are worth lots of isk and kill them or hold them for ransom, or both. Or trick them into ejecting and steal their ships.

It is going to be really hard for you to make a living doing this in lowsec. The best targets are usually in highsec. The tactics you can use are suicide ganking, suspect baiting, corp infiltration and wardecs. Each of these is a fine art in its own respect, with many different possible approaches and tactics.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#18 - 2014-01-30 01:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
Your already getting a lot of advice here, but i have a couple of "guides" that may or may not help you out.

First off, while i understand that the idea of running a corp seems lucrative you might not realize exactly how much it entails. But you are already aware off this, which is a very good sign. You dont expect it to be easy, and asking for help and advice is a good first step.

So, to help you understand what your getting your self into, take a look at this thread: Where do I go after the NPC corporation?

Now for actually running the corp. This guide might be a bit outdated, but you should be able to pick up on a lot of useful advice: New CEOs guide to making a successful corporation.

For the recruitment, this is something you have to be patient with, and there are many many ways to recruit, and even more ways it can go horribly wrong. For advice on this take a look at this guide: How to Recruit: A Guide for the New Recruiter

You can also stop by the CEO channel ingame and ask for advice there, but i would also suggest that you ask around in NCQA which is another great place to get questions answered.

Good luck with the corp, hope it becomes a success Big smile
Julius Rigel
#19 - 2014-01-30 07:46:25 UTC
Here's the thing about learning to run a corp:

There are already corporations out there, and every one of them has a CEO. While guides and talking to people and all that crap can give you a good idea of how a CEO should run a corp, it doesn't compare to actually joining a corp and simply living in it to experience the way the CEO runs the corp.

So my suggestion is this: Find a good corp that does roughly what you want your corp to do. Join them, and learn from them. In time, you will learn many of the things that are required of a CEO. When you become director of a successful corporation, you're well on your way to being ready.

Or in other words, if you can't even be trusted to direct someone else's corp, you certainly can't run one on your own.

Also, another piece of wisdom: There's a serious too-many-chieftains problem in EVE. Everyone has a corp. Recruiting members is an extremely competitive activity.
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#20 - 2014-01-30 08:05:43 UTC
I'm just gonna go out and say it: Don't start a corp. You're better off joining an existing corp, learning there, and even moving up into a leadership position by virtue of your willingness to work.

Meanwhile, your prospective joiners, if you did start one, are newbies. Veterans would have nothing to gain from you. But that you can offer a newbie, compared to most other corps, is inferior. You don't have the experience, the ISK, the systems and infrastructure, etc, that are relatively normal in a commonly well-run corp. There's a high chance that you will leave your joiners with a bad taste in their mouth, and they may leave the game as a result.

So for the sake of retaining newbies, for the sake of faster learning for you, and for the sake of getting into power quicker for you, don't start a corp. Joining a corp and working your way up into leadership will work out better for everyone.
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