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[Rubicon 1.1] Omnidirectional Tracking Links

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#281 - 2014-01-26 18:10:25 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:

I'd be using heavies.


Then you're bad. Heavies suck.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#282 - 2014-01-26 18:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them.

Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [point blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad Blink
ashley Eoner
#283 - 2014-01-26 20:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them.

Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [point blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad Blink

Well that's cute. I clicked post and it erased everything I typed out...

I'd like to know what these op geddons look like. For PVE I can show you abaddon builds that have roughly the same range/dps.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#284 - 2014-01-26 21:01:56 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them.

Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [point blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad Blink

Well that's cute. I clicked post and it erased everything I typed out...


always copy a post before you try too post it especially if its long or wait till it automatically saves ... a little yellow draft in bottom left of box

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#285 - 2014-01-26 21:11:59 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:

because currently Sentries are Overpowered. Even on unbonused range hulls.

They allow an armageddon for a clear example to have more effective damage projection and extra high slot resources thatn ANY turret ship.

Just check on TQ.. how much harder is to fit an abaddon do do damage at same range an armageddon does... with same level of tank and then armageddon can still sport NEuts, RR and stuff like that.

Simply... Sentry droens + omni links are OVERPOWERED.



And we all know ship stats can never be changed.
ashley Eoner
#286 - 2014-01-26 21:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Harvey James wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them.

Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [point blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad Blink

Well that's cute. I clicked post and it erased everything I typed out...


always copy a post before you try too post it especially if its long or wait till it automatically saves ... a little yellow draft in bottom left of box
It did save as a draft and that was the problem I think. When I clicked post it said saved as draft and then gave me an empty post. I loaded the draft but all that showed was the original quoted post.. .ugh.

In PVE the armageddon isn't that powerful. The dominix is without a doubt the king of sentry pve though. That's because with all the tools that CCP has given us over the years a dominix doesn't have to worry much about having a real tank for most PVE.

EDIT : Considering the size of my post in hindsight I should of done the copy paste into notepad as a backup thing. I should of known something would happen.
Josef Djugashvilis
#287 - 2014-01-26 21:59:41 UTC
Forum monster ate my post.

CCP fix the freakin' forums.

Then folk can say what they think of the proposed changes.

This is not a signature.

DivineHero
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2014-01-27 06:46:27 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Batelle wrote:
my rattlesnake is much more hurt by the scope chip nerf than the omni nerf.


Secondary issue but the whole stacking on rigs is the nail in the coffin IMHO. I may be too suspicious but to me, this is actually what appears to be a significant driver behind the Omni/Rig change - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/what-a-hed-ache/ Discouraging drone use ASAP to resolve server performance issues.


Hmm. "Drones" will be wiped out. Can i have my SP compensation ? :facepalm:

Окей,дело вот в чём.Один из вас,все вы или,может,никто из вас не,точно знает,что тут происходит.

Htirlic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#289 - 2014-01-27 15:39:49 UTC
The end of the game, with the release of update you minus one subscriber. This "innovation" kills not mechanics, and the desire to play. "Thank you" for the wasted time, no small to notice on study skills. I wanted to get pleasure from the game (it was), but not another crap.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#290 - 2014-01-27 17:16:17 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:

I'd be using heavies.


Then you're bad. Heavies suck.


Perhaps, just perhaps, it is in fact the case that the drone skills on your non-anonymous-forum-posting-account suck. You know, TBH. Roll

Aside from that, if the Rattlesnake and Gila get no love on the rebalance, they become essentially useless in PVE in generally, filling only very niche roles when circumstances allow. Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down. But hey, the server will perform better with fewer people right? Blink

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#291 - 2014-01-27 18:30:25 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down.


Can we stop with the melodrama and eve is dying and all the bullshit? people are ass-pained because their stuff is getting nerfed. I should know, I'm one of those people. But saying crap like this isn't going to convince CCP.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

SemperFidelis Shi
SemperFidelis Corporation
#292 - 2014-01-27 19:26:24 UTC
I remember that after Battleships rebalance, there was another nerf on Dominix: reduce tracking bonus so that it will be "balanced".

Then, nerf Sentries too.

Now which one is unbalanced? Can we get back the Dominix bonus?
Minnie Ryder
Flippin DaBird Corporation 2
#293 - 2014-01-27 19:36:43 UTC
Day before patch, just been on SiSi. Nothing changed there, still there's no indication in show info of the actuall effects of the omnidirectionals.

Back here, still not a single post to this thread by anyone of CCP. Shame on you is all I've got to say, shame on you. This is not how to work with the community with feedback and changes. Shame on you again.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#294 - 2014-01-27 19:50:07 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down.


Can we stop with the melodrama and eve is dying and all the bullshit? people are ass-pained because their stuff is getting nerfed. I should know, I'm one of those people. But saying crap like this isn't going to convince CCP.


That is not what I said. I said pushing subscriptions down. For a variety of reasons, I suspect there will be a measurable number of folks that will simply be fed up with the lack of listening on CCP's part before making major changes like this. I am not real keen on the SP I have invested in drones going into a black hole when until very recently, it seemed that drones would be getting a true rework. This, without any additional information from CCP, seems to be a haphazard nerf without an overall plan. There has been a severe lack of content as of late in many people's opinions, mine included, and the numbers continue to reflect a decrease in subscribers/activity levels. As hundreds of people have posted before me, bug fixes and game rebalance is not true content. CCP has for quite some time simply been reacting to subsets of the player base finding manners to exploit the current mechanics. I am not saying Eve is "dying", but changes like this certainly don't help. CCP needs to score in the next 12 months or we will be talking about more dire situations IMHO.

So how about you shut your trap and stop putting words in other people's mouths m'kay? Roll

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#295 - 2014-01-27 19:58:50 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
That is not what I said. I said pushing subscriptions down....
I am not real keen on the SP I have invested in drones going into a black hole...
the numbers continue to reflect a decrease in subscribers/activity levels.....
I am not saying Eve is "dying", but changes like this certainly don't help. CCP needs to score in the next 12 months or we will be talking about more dire situations IMHO.

So how about you shut your trap and stop putting words in other people's mouths m'kay? Roll


"I didn't say Eve is dying, I said it was stagnating and people were leaving it."
"My drone SP is now worthless"
"Eve is dying and the numbers show this."
"Eve is dying, or if not, soon will be."

I really don't have to make anything up, its all right there. Guess what. Drones will still be awesome.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#296 - 2014-01-27 20:03:47 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Blah blah blah.


My apologies, I didn't realize you were one of "those" people. I will disregard your comments as I suspect the rest of the folks here do. Thanks for clarifying... Blink

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...

ashley Eoner
#297 - 2014-01-27 20:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down.


Can we stop with the melodrama and eve is dying and all the bullshit? people are ass-pained because their stuff is getting nerfed. I should know, I'm one of those people. But saying crap like this isn't going to convince CCP.


That is not what I said. I said pushing subscriptions down. For a variety of reasons, I suspect there will be a measurable number of folks that will simply be fed up with the lack of listening on CCP's part before making major changes like this. I am not real keen on the SP I have invested in drones going into a black hole when until very recently, it seemed that drones would be getting a true rework. This, without any additional information from CCP, seems to be a haphazard nerf without an overall plan. There has been a severe lack of content as of late in many people's opinions, mine included, and the numbers continue to reflect a decrease in subscribers/activity levels. As hundreds of people have posted before me, bug fixes and game rebalance is not true content. CCP has for quite some time simply been reacting to subsets of the player base finding manners to exploit the current mechanics. I am not saying Eve is "dying", but changes like this certainly don't help. CCP needs to score in the next 12 months or we will be talking about more dire situations IMHO.

So how about you shut your trap and stop putting words in other people's mouths m'kay? Roll

I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...


Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.


My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#298 - 2014-01-27 20:58:24 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:

I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...

Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.

My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live.


I'm sure CCP is well acquainted with randomness and will not take your resub as an endorsement specifically of rubicon 1.1 Roll
That said if you quit over a nerf before, this definitely also counts as a nerf. I don't know what you mean by asking for "better communication." I also would like to see additional justification from Fozzie on this matter, but I'm also disappointment that several people chose this thread to attack him personally and question his motives. Ultimately if CCP wants to nerf something, they shouldn't really back down over some self-interested persons being upset about it. They should listen to some fact-based comparisons and rational discussions, of which there has been plenty already in this thread, some saying it won't be that bad, others that certain ships/uses will be critically affected.

As for this not making it live, its being deployed tomorrow. I expect a new wave of discussion about the omnilink nerfs starting then.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Dedee Rediculous
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#299 - 2014-01-28 01:52:45 UTC
It'll be a tidal wave of tears because next to no one reads F&I.

Tomorrow should be interesting.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#300 - 2014-01-28 04:25:33 UTC
Batelle wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:

I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...

Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.

My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live.


I'm sure CCP is well acquainted with randomness and will not take your resub as an endorsement specifically of rubicon 1.1 Roll
That said if you quit over a nerf before, this definitely also counts as a nerf. I don't know what you mean by asking for "better communication." I also would like to see additional justification from Fozzie on this matter, but I'm also disappointment that several people chose this thread to attack him personally and question his motives. Ultimately if CCP wants to nerf something, they shouldn't really back down over some self-interested persons being upset about it. They should listen to some fact-based comparisons and rational discussions, of which there has been plenty already in this thread, some saying it won't be that bad, others that certain ships/uses will be critically affected.

As for this not making it live, its being deployed tomorrow. I expect a new wave of discussion about the omnilink nerfs starting then.



Its probably more a case of "nerf it more than we think it needs and then back off the nerf a bit next patch to a more reasonable level" :D That way everyone will be happy about the un-nerf even though its still a nerf compared to original.

I had a kitten once that was cupboard mad. If you accidentally locked it in a cupboard and then later realized and let it out, it treated you like a "savior and hero" even though you were the one that had locked it in,