Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do you have a suggestion for a change to links, or are you just ranting?

Put them on grid, and/or put them into battlereport.

Make links work on grid ONLY.

I'm sorry that went over your heads.

Fozzie has explicitly said that links and bonuses are something he wants and intends to rework sooner rather than later, but there are technical issues that need to be resolved first. Chill.

The magnitude of warfare links needs to be reduced substantially, independent of the on-grid/off-grid distinction. Balance is very hard when the difference between linked and unlinked is so massive. Anything manageable without links will be grotesquely overpowered with links; anything manageable with links will be pathetically weak without.

Links are really NOT that hard to train into or do..... So.... I'd suggest training links. 'Fixing' them is a far larger, more challenging issue.

So you're saying I should pay 30 bucks a month?

Or should I sit in a safe 40 AU away and boost my friend who is pvping?

Or should I ask my friend to sit 40 AU away and boost me so I can pvp on a level playing field?

All three options are unreasonable. And you clearly use links.

Is it not better to address the problem than the symptom?

I'm saying that fixing Links is a very challenging issue, in no way shape or form clear cut, easy, or likely to be fixable in the short term.


Yep, I'm a links pilot. Check my KB. Spend most my time in a Damnation or Guardian. I'm also aware of what it's like to use and not use links. Thanks for the obvious.


But as pointed out, Eve IS a multiplayer game. If you choose to solo, you choose to give up the advantages of those who don't.


Further, if you're arguing for the 'you can't fit links in small plexes' argument, then get behind the destroyer class booster ship movement.

You could always ask for 1v1's in local... Until then, you're gonna have to expect to run into links. Or griffins, or maulus, or other types of annoyances, all of which are far easier to balance and fix than links.

They already stated they want that a LOT. But makign so is not without side effects and possibly the people tha can fix it are busy with thing slike massive lag in fleet fights.

I think that the idea of restricting them to on-grid is the one part of the whole debate that makes clear, logical sense: With almost all other offensive mechanisms (except fleet bonuses? Do those also work system-wide?), you have the anchoring principle that you can see what is attacking you. I think it makes sense that you should be able to warp onto a grid and at least have that natural feedback of "this is contributing to the fight", even if that has no other effect than simply providing the clear, concise Boolean state of "this guy is the only other, non-cloaked ship on the grid, so until someone warps or jumps onto the grid, this is exclusively the guy I have to deal with". That part makes sense to me.

Other things I don't agree with. For instance:

Yes, that seems entirely reasonable. It is a multiplayer game, so you can solve this problem by bringing multiple players.

This doesn't seem true at all. What data is this based on? From what I can tell (looking at server activity numbers, available at eve-offline and such), subscriptions have steadily gone up in the long term, not down.

Perhaps not, but "get friends to fit links and participate in the fight" IS entirely reasonable.

So write a proper feature change proposal that explains in meticulous detail the problem, your proposed solution, the possible problems your proposed solution could cause, and how to implement it. "This needs to be fixed" is not a solution, and "this needs to be fixed by making your programmers fix it" is not an adequate idea for a solution in my opinion.