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New dev blog: Starbase happy fun time

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Sinzor Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#1101 - 2011-11-20 13:15:09 UTC
I've been keeping an eye on the thread for a while. Based on the comments I've seen, let me present a wish-list.

1. Re-establish Faction towers and Sov. bonuses. Solved.
2. Color the cubes. Solution.
3. Make something for WH-dwellers, poor they are. Solution: dunno - technetium moons, maybe?
4. Re-establish flexible Liquid Ozone and Heavy Water consumption. Solution.
5. Update dev blogs. Solution: use keyboard.

As you can see, we have solutions as well. We - the Community. The only thing that's left - is to make CCP implement them. Any suggestions, folks?
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#1102 - 2011-11-20 16:16:25 UTC
Sisi build is not updates with cubes in the discriptions. The BPO is not seeded yet as far as i can tell.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.

Aineko Macx
#1103 - 2011-11-20 18:35:58 UTC
I didn't read through all 50+ pages, do we have an answer to the following question:
When will the cube BPOs be seeded on TQ? I recon it should be at least 1-2 weeks before the actual system switch.
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#1104 - 2011-11-20 18:41:45 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
I didn't read through all 50+ pages, do we have an answer to the following question:
When will the cube BPOs be seeded on TQ? I recon it should be at least 1-2 weeks before the actual system switch.


On rollout of Crucible. the switchover to the new fuel will be 2 weeks or so later.
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1105 - 2011-11-20 20:42:46 UTC
random though - would be fun it a rorqual compression would make the Fuel blocks.... just the shape looks like compressed ore.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships

Vireck
Octopoda
#1106 - 2011-11-20 22:17:56 UTC
Give faction towers a CPU and Grid bonus if you insist on homogenising fuel consumption
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#1107 - 2011-11-20 22:43:37 UTC
Vireck wrote:
Give faction towers a CPU and Grid bonus if you insist on homogenising fuel consumption



Go back to the first post. use the link in it to the update. Stop looking like you can't be bothered to read.
Neo Agricola
Gallente Federation
#1108 - 2011-11-21 14:11:24 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
I didn't read through all 50+ pages, do we have an answer to the following question:
When will the cube BPOs be seeded on TQ? I recon it should be at least 1-2 weeks before the actual system switch.


Yeah. I want to hear a official answer to that question also.

I hope it is more than 4 weeks.

Roughly: research 14 days for "perfect" BPOs
and about 10 days to get fuel blocks build and deliverd...

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#1109 - 2011-11-21 19:02:51 UTC
Neo Agricola wrote:
Aineko Macx wrote:
I didn't read through all 50+ pages, do we have an answer to the following question:
When will the cube BPOs be seeded on TQ? I recon it should be at least 1-2 weeks before the actual system switch.


Yeah. I want to hear a official answer to that question also.

I hope it is more than 4 weeks.

Roughly: research 14 days for "perfect" BPOs
and about 10 days to get fuel blocks build and deliverd...



Dig back through the last 5-10 pages (at most). Perfect ME for 400 units of isotopes is about ME 80, but once you get to ME 14, you only waste 3 isotopes per block (0.75% waste on the isotopes). At ME 40, you reduce that to 1 waste unit.

Getting to ME 14 is not going to take you very long, at which point you can throw it in a manufacturing line for about 1.5 days in order to produce about 30.5 days of large fuel.

Base production time 5 minutes per 40 blocks, minus 20% for Industry V, minus another 17% if you go for PE 8, minus another 25% if you use a POS comp/ammo array, minus another 6% if you have the implant. Which drives the time down to about 2.5 minutes to create a single hour worth of large non-faction tower fuel pellets.

So in 2-3 days, you can easily create 4 weeks of fuel using a slightly inefficient BPO (ME 14), after which you toss it back in the research lab for another week or two to get to ME 80 (if saving that single unit of isotopes really matters, otherwise stop at ME 40).
Kylier
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1110 - 2011-11-21 20:03:14 UTC
I know this topic has been mostly dead for a while.... but I don't suppose there is a chance of making the blocks even smaller is there CCP?

Before this change I am able to fuel towers I need to with a single Jump freighter run due to not having a fuel use of LO or HW.

After the change as fuel loads are maxed I can no longer move fuel in a single jump freighter run. =(

As I posted earlier on this thread a bit of compression would be nice seeing as every other production in the game ends with the finished material compressed somewhat.

Ferrenc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1111 - 2011-11-22 23:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferrenc
yay bonuses! thanks! you're great ccp!
Caghji
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1112 - 2011-11-22 23:21:49 UTC
Kylier wrote:
I know this topic has been mostly dead for a while.... but I don't suppose there is a chance of making the blocks even smaller is there CCP?

Before this change I am able to fuel towers I need to with a single Jump freighter run due to not having a fuel use of LO or HW.

After the change as fuel loads are maxed I can no longer move fuel in a single jump freighter run. =(

As I posted earlier on this thread a bit of compression would be nice seeing as every other production in the game ends with the finished material compressed somewhat.



+1
Lucid Matrix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1113 - 2011-11-23 06:10:47 UTC
Idea With all the love and hate over this Fuel Block issue. I think CCP should think of another option. Why not allow both? Allow us to use the new fuel blocks or raw fuel components. I realize there are still people that will jump up and down screaming yelling murder with a system like this. I am aware there would be an issue with the robotics, but I think it's still fair to have to use a full unit of robotics per hour in small and medium towers for those that would like to use raw components.

Smile I support the idea of the larger batches of fuel blocks to allow faction towers to get their bonus.

Roll I for one like the idea of fuel blocks because it will in some way bring more order to keeping a POS fueled. But looking at it in terms of game lore, it's just dumb. Even though all the components of fuel are called fuel in general, they are not really all fuel and each component would do different things for a tower in terms of fuel and maintenance. So squishing them all into a block and tossing them into the reactor sounds like a silly and counter productive thing to do.
Retmas
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#1114 - 2011-11-23 09:40:42 UTC
Ferrenc wrote:
wow just read the devblog, blah blah blah, your faction tower is garbage, thanks! i hate you ccp.


they reinstated faction bonuses, read my post on the previous page or track down greyscale's post somewhere in the 20s i believe.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#1115 - 2011-11-23 14:00:56 UTC
Latest fuel cost estimates:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=405610#post405610

For those worrying about fuel costs on towers that were previously not maxed out on HW/LOz usage, the short answer is that for small/medium towers you'll still have a cost savings, just not as big as those who were previously maxed out already. Large towers will be roughly break-even.

Quote:
Cost savings (approximate) by tower size each 30 days, assuming that you were previously maxed out on HW/LOz:

Small towers: 40M/30d (-35%)
Med towers: 40M/30d (-19%)
Large towers: 24M/30d (-6.4%)

Since small towers only paid a maximum of 16M ISK for their HW/LOz needs, a bare small tower with zero of each still ends up about 24M ISK/30d cheaper under the new system. Medium towers HW/LOz usage is about 31M, so they'll still end up at least 9M/30d cheaper. Large towers had less overall savings, so they might actually go up in price slightly due to increased HW/LOz usage.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#1116 - 2011-11-23 14:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Scrapyard Bob
Also, new devblog today:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3143

No real changes from what was already discussed in the last few pages - it just confirms what we were already told.

Note: They're only giving us 2 weeks to load the towers up with new fuel blocks. So by Dec 13th, you will need to have prepared at least a few day's worth of new fuel pellets (or buy off the market).

I suggest doing a few days of ME research on your fuel BPOs, producing a week's worth of fuel pellets, then go back to ME research for another few days.

By Dec 12th - you will want to have loaded at least 5-7 days worth of fuel pellets into all of your towers, but leave the rest of the fuel bay filled with the old-style fuel types.
TheLast Poofighter
Squirrel Horde
#1117 - 2011-11-23 20:35:27 UTC
will alliance members be able to use pos facilities? that would be nice
BuildWhore
Fish Curtains
#1118 - 2011-11-25 03:41:55 UTC
Can we get longer for the change over.
Some peeps have more than 10 towers.

Also a lot of peeps probably store more than a few weeks of fuel at their POS. Especially WH' ers.
Airi Che
Hammer of Vulcan
#1119 - 2011-11-26 15:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Airi Che
First, my apologies, I'm new at this blogging game so bear with me.

Second, I've tried to read thru all 56 pages of comments but I still don't know where I'm going to be buying the fuel bpo's and how I'm going to be paying for them. Are they going to be from the LP store?

And if you can tell me where I can find the original blog on this and how to keep up with this stuff, I won't have to bother you all that much anymore....

Thanks! in advance.
gargars
Willco Inc.
#1120 - 2011-11-26 21:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: gargars
Airi Che wrote:
First, my apologies, I'm new at this blogging game so bear with me.

Second, I've tried to read thru all 56 pages of comments but I still don't know where I'm going to be buying the fuel bpo's and how I'm going to be paying for them. Are they going to be from the LP store?

And if you can tell me where I can find the original blog on this and how to keep up with this stuff, I won't have to bother you all that much anymore....

Thanks! in advance.


Links to the original blog and the update blog are of course on the 1st of the 56 pages, the very first post. Lol

The BPO's are going to be available at Thukker Mix, and I assume since they are a BPO and not BPC you will simply buy them.