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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#801 - 2014-01-21 17:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbaron
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Not quite. See, in your model, using current prices, you are forgetting to consider the change you are proposing. If faction guns were to use t2 ammo, there would be a greater need (demmand) for them, for the simple fact that more people would be able to use t2 ammo sooner. At their current price and supply, they would most likely sell out quickly. What's the alternative to high demand, low supply? Low demand, high supply. Down the road, everyone would use Faction guns, because they are just as good as T2, they could use T2 ammo, and they are farmed like crazy by the botters and afkers in hisec.


you still need to pay 20 million isk to the navy to get a SINGLE launcher from them. i really don't see faction launchers for 20m++ replacing T2 launchers for 800k ISK (in the pvp market). in pve: absolutely
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#802 - 2014-01-21 17:20:44 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
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Not quite. See, in your model, using current prices, you are forgetting to consider the change you are proposing. If faction guns were to use t2 ammo, there would be a greater need (demmand) for them, for the simple fact that more people would be able to use t2 ammo sooner. At their current price and supply, they would most likely sell out quickly. What's the alternative to high demand, low supply? Low demand, high supply. Down the road, everyone would use Faction guns, because they are just as good as T2, they could use T2 ammo, and they are farmed like crazy by the botters and afkers in hisec.


you still need to pay 20 million isk to the navy to get a SINGLE launcher from them. i really don't see faction launchers for 20m++ replacing T2 launchers for 800k ISK (in the pvp market). in pve, absolutely.

Oh right, my bad. I somehow misunderstood the bit about paying isk to the LP market. Guess I somehow thought faction guns didn't cost isk.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Kirluin
#803 - 2014-01-21 18:43:21 UTC
Not sure if this has been suggested yet in this threadnought, but another possibility would be to make this device operate on the current grid only (limit 1 per grid, not system), with payout at offline time. with say a 2 minute time for offlining.

Ratters would have incentive to stay and defend it if a red pops in system. If the ratters choose to dock up, red gets the loot for free. But it's not too onerous to move around as you rat and it doesn't affect allied folks who are also anomming in the same system (they can make their own risk/reward choices)

You could either rat as usual without it and instadock your bling fit when spooked. Or your crew could rat in pvp-ready fits, gain extra rewards for doing so provided you fight to defend. Since it's always on-grid with a potential defender, there's no need to do boring "guard" duty: the pvp has to happen right away or you don't get the goods.
ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#804 - 2014-01-21 23:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.

That said, this thread has turned into a parallel discussion thread with the official feedback thread. I would advice you all to keep the discussion to that thread from now on, as this thread gets locked.

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