EVE General Discussion

Exactly.

When we have the eternal "high sec/null sec" balance discussions someone always says "just buff null" and we tell them that you can't because when CCP did it the last time with the systems upgrade system the economy damn near exploded lol. That's because the staple of sov null isk making is the anomaly and anomalies give out raw isk (and just a little "material", most people don't loot or salvage anoms even now). That's why the 400mil an hour Titans w/scimitar feeding tracking was so bad for the game.

But introducing LP to the equation is the prefect solution. some of that liquid isk will now get sunk into the navy lp stores.

You're not the only one with that concern. i'm also concerned that this will have a bad effect on the already bad lvl 5 missions.

I think CCP should make 4 new faction corporations for this, for 4 new LP stores. Best idea i ever stole from Turelus :) .

You'd have an easier time if you actually knew what you were talking about.

Items that don't alter the ISK pool — e.g. items from LP stores that don't require ISK to buy — are indeed ISK neutral. They are, at most, deflationary. In terms of the LP store, all that happens is that the ISK remains the same. At no point can the LP stores make the amount of ISK increase, only decrease, so they cannot possibly be inflationary.


As for the ESS deflating the value of navy LP, consider the alternative: that the same players just figure “hey, the money out here sucks, Ima go grind missions instead”…

There is a very simple solution to the overall devaluation of LP in the faction LP stores. Add the ability to use T2 ammo in faction guns and launchers.

Oh god no. It would make T2 guns entirely useless.

Look it at it this way. It takes about 50 days or so to train into t2 large guns (from t1 smalls). It takes about....3 days to train for T1s? Sure, Factions are more expencive, but the training time is more than worth it. If you give them the ability to use T2 ammo, the increase (and therefore, devaluation) of each faction guntype in the market will skyrocket, effectively killing the T2 gun market.

Yeah, more like no. Quite a lot has to happen (price wise) before t2 is replaced by faction (for pvp fits, but pvp is the most important market driver)

Oh ok. So If CCP suddenly said that faction guns had T2 ammo enabled, everyone would still buy T2s because.............Nope, can't think of a reason. Faction guns are just as good as T2s (in most cases, sometimes worse, sometimes better), and here is the kicker, they don't need to be researched nor manufactured. Just farm. And last I recall, we seem to have issues with mission botters already. God forbid we give them another incentive.

ok then add tech II faction guns.

takes lots of tags and regular tech II gun and isk to turn it into a faction tech II gun.

like a tech II caldari navy Heavy Missile launcher.

The guns are fine the way they are. The problem here is that Mining and mission running can be done by AFKers, and even worse, botters. Incursions require some level of brain activity to run, so those aren't that terrible. The reall issue here is that the isk faucets are not well implemented, and the isk sinks, due the nature of the market, are very very very small compared to the faucets.

LP is a good start, but it's by no means the solution. One way that just occured to me to impact the economy in a favorable way, would be to tax stargates. The higher the sec status of the system, the higher the price to pay per jump. Loads of other games do this. Instead of calling them star gates, they call them portals/mout/travel agents/transit managers. You pay a fee to move from point A to point B. Granted, there are too many stargates in eve, but it's a start that cold be looked at.

What the game needs is a way to destroy isk, not transfer it from your wallet to mine and viceversa.

Not quite. See, in your model, using current prices, you are forgetting to consider the change you are proposing. If faction guns were to use t2 ammo, there would be a greater need (demmand) for them, for the simple fact that more people would be able to use t2 ammo sooner. At their current price and supply, they would most likely sell out quickly. What's the alternative to high demand, low supply? Low demand, high supply. Down the road, everyone would use Faction guns, because they are just as good as T2, they could use T2 ammo, and they are farmed like crazy by the botters and afkers in hisec.

An alternate example.
Say they changed the way you can obtain tritanium. Say they made it much harder to obtain. Sure, we have stockpiles of it now. Later down the road though, shortages would surely arrise, and therefore the price of it would increase. Instead of it costing roughly 5isk per unit, it could very well double or tripple in price.

If you take something with very little demand, and a large enough supply, you end up with a cheap product.
If you take something with very high demand, and a tiny supply, you end up with a very expencive product. (Look at officer mods. They are expecive because everyone wants one, and they are rare)