Player Features and Ideas Discussion

These changes effectively do nothing. A 35 second reload to swap ammo is still far too long to react to any change on the field and the only effect you have given rlms now is they kill frigates even faster. Unfortunately I don't believe they are at the breakpoint where they can kill an af in a single clip so other than mincing t1 frigates more often nothing changes.

You still refused to involve yourself in the discussion in the original rlm thread that actually went in depth into damage mechanics and the missile application formula in regards to all missiles. That could have been an amazing discussion but instead you peek in and now its 35 seconds, so 1.75 times a jam cycle instead of 2.

There is still 0 reason to use this mechanic outside of killing 1-2 (well maybe 3) frigates and leaving the field, which so many other cruisers can do while staying on field and continuing to impact the fight. Your counterpoint is that we get to choose when to stop shooting for nearly 2 jam cycles so it is fine? I don't get to choose when something lands and I need to swap ammo to apply full damage to it, I still don't see the small gang community using this system much at all.

We're not allowed to focus on the part where you proposed a silly, we told you it was a silly, you did the silly, and we all still hate the silly?

Please do not focus on the part where a developer proposed a terrible idea that was not only terrible but impossible to implement workarounds for from a technical perspective. Oh and by the way the workaround involves it somehow taking less time to unload 20 missiles and then load 20 new missiles into a launcher than it takes to put 20 missiles into an empty launcher. Because that makes sense! If you implement your "fix" will we also be able to put containers inside of containers inside of containers? Because personally I've always resented that little pop-up that appears telling me that "PHYSICS SAYS NO."

How about you just change rapid launchers back into normal launchers that happen to use smaller missiles and call it a day? You know, because you won't have to bug fifty programmers to implement some nonsensical workaround for a problem that should never exist in the first place, and we can all enjoy shooting hardly-interrupted streams of missiles at things again? I swear to god reading these forums is like spending your day in an insane asylum sometimes, but weirder.

"Guys we don't have programmer man-hours to devote to making our game multi-threaded or implementing live node-remapping: all programmers are currently working on the rapid missile launcher ammo-swapping (but not reloading) workaround."

hey folks! welcome to connall tara's guide to not influence someone's opinion towards your eventual goals!

point 1: claim the majority of opinion to yourself!

when you don't like something, CLEARLY EVERYONE HATES IT TO! so when making responses always imply that everyone is on your side, even if people have posted otherwise! only 6% of the eve community uses the forums, but they clearly don't need to know that!

point 2: lay the blame!

clearly it's THAT PERSONS FAULT that everything is now wrong with the world! no understanding or compromise permitted here! remember to claim that nothing was ever wrong in the first place! that disproportionate use of an anti-frigate missile system against cruisers was perfectly fine!

point 3: physics!

don't like the mechanics? don't worry! in eve online we get to pick and choose when physics makes sense, and as community members we get to move the goal posts! after all, we don't question submarines in space but if its convieniant we can damn well call out missile clip reload times!

point 4: Insult the dev!

he's clearly an idiot compared to you! you should let him know that! imply he should be locked up and put away, that'll show 'em!


yes, we damn well get it you don't like the changes, YES we saw the gods damned mega thread the haters kept spinning on wards for weeks. but if you are unable to argue your point without resorting to shouting until you get your own way then its no bloody wonder the development crew are less likely to listen to you.

all posts are not created equal, all opinions do not carry the same weight. if you want to change things then it is YOUR responsibility to come up with reasonable and valid reasons and counter arguments and put those arguments under scrutiny of the developers and of your peers.

you know... like how the re-balance team does every time they announce changes by posting one of these threads, its not like we hurl abuse at them like toddlers when we don't get our way.

While you guys are working on overheat changes, why not making it that overheating a rapid launcher also decreases its reload time, at a cost of X heat damage for landing on reload while overheated?

ALMOST! >You cannot repair heat damage while reloading.

I originally proposed that ammo changing should work like this:

you change ammo instantly (or in 5/10 seconds, but isnt there enough waiting), but if you have 1 charge left before reload your new ammo type will still have 1 charge left before reload.

Are you sure?
Has that been changed?
This did work on ASBs/AARs... (the module is not active while reloading)

HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

...seriously?

Comes into a thread accusing me of not providing useful criticism, after I and a quadrillion other posters all provided Rise constructive criticism only to be repeatedly ignored outright. Then gives me a stern talking to about blaming a dev for the ideas that that dev introduced to the community and that that dev then proceeded to ram through despite massive community outcry from people like me who have been paying for, playing, and providing ideas and constructive criticism for this game for eight years.

Seriously.

This just happened.

CLEARLY the reason this thread exists and concessions are being made is that the usage stats on these rapid launchers indicate people's general displeasure with the changes. If the "majority-of-players-who-are-definitely-not-represented-by-Ganthrithor's-views-or-the-views-of-any-of-the-other-8000-people-who-don't-favor-these-changes" approved of the 1.0 changes, this thread would not exist. If Rise were at all confident that these proposed 1.1 changes would solve things, he wouldn't be leaving the possibility of "other major changes down the road" on the table.

Kindly find a more acceptable object for your white-knighting, sir.

still pathetic. 20 sec reload (2x normal) or give a much larger charge to warrant longer reload time.