EVE General Discussion

Tauranon needs to stop paying Goons for one system and go take them all. Tauranon has restricted them-self to one system so they suffer terrible consequences.

Since I ran 6 sites and obtained 6 high end mods I can conclude that the probability is high for high end drops.

You missed the part about bounties and OE which are 100% probability.

Also randomness and predictability. If I set a random variable which pulls 10 numbers from 1 to 100 and another from 1 to 1,000 I can accurately predict that 5 will appear 10 times more often from the first variable than the second.

Since I ran 6 sites and obtained 6 high end mods I can conclude that the probability is high for high end drops.

Since I have repeated this and consistently obtained the same results this confirms my conclusion that mod drops are high. This is called science. Science is not about proving its about consistency in theory. Even a law is not required to be proven, it requires that it hasn't been disproven.

If you get less paid for NPC-Pirats, the four factions have to pay less for bounties.
Is there any relevant Summit between Amarr, Minmatar, Caldari and Gallente, where the decision was made, to pay less for safety?

THE PRINCE OF THE EAST !

Okay, since I ran 10 sites and got nothing but OE I can also conclude there's 0% chance of high-end BPCs. Which disproves your theory of 100% rewards, through "science" but in reality is nothing but talking about edge cases and the sample size is simply too small to determine the reality. It's safe to assume that DED rewards are high, because they are - a BPC will set you up with a bit short of a billion ISK, and you can haul in more than just that.

It is not, however, a reliable income stream - the rewards are random and you are not guaranteed to find a DED anomaly in every system. If you're going for time to find a DED + Time to run it vs. equal time spent by an optimized ratter, optimized ratter is likely to haul more than you in your worst case (long time to find + OE only) and way less than you in your optimistic case (found quickly + good drop).

That said, both income streams over time should produce comparable results since both are exposed to certain risk. A plexing ship often less - gated pockets make it easier to run away if discovered, depots made it much easier to swap out to covert/nullified T3 subs and run a gatecamp and people who pull way too much money running plexes in hostile 0.0 often invest in a black ops with extraction cynos. That said, they can still be snuck up on and caught.

Ratters, on a similar note, need to remain in space for a long time - preferably within one system - to make their income worth their time.

Also, it's not an interesting module. Let's take a look at its value, what you get for 30 million ISK...

Offensive:

Drop one in hostile system to reduce ratting income by 20%

Issues:

Low HP pool (not being a ******** sov structure with a few million of them) means a pack of dedicated DPS ships (Taloses, for once) can burn one down quickly. Requires near-constant supervision to avoid investment loss. Supervision implies the presence of a cloaky scout, the presence of which already reduces system income to near-0 without the added cost of ESS and logistics of deploying it.

Defensive:

...bait? With it actually not being profitable to use, it will become like a drake ratting in a belt. Obvious bait is obvious. With a bomber being able to pop it in 5 min, a gang will be able to dispose of it in less meaning the ESS is already lost by the time you form a counter-gang. Unless a counter-gang is on standby, in which case you'd fight the bad guys anyway - if they picked on the ESS, they're taking the bait anyway so they're balls deep in for it.

There's nothing interesting in this module, it's a waste of dev time and that - is its main problem.

*Cepters can warp in at any range, only a fool would warp in at that range.
*Cepters can still warp, they will be used to access the ESS
*Ties up an alt that can be used for ratting more isk than the ESS will ever pull in and is unlikely to work anyway.
*Again, interceptors and cloaky ships render this tactic invalid. The ESS will not not be on the same grid as the POS.
*Another nerf to null income at a time when high sec offers better payouts
*The boost from the ESS isnt worth keeping an alt tied up baby sitting it and anyone who does use it without an alt sitting on it is all but garenteed to lose 20% of their earnings.
*They will dock up, the moment we leave they will destroy the ESS. It will be a wasted 30 mil.
*Nobody will allow it to stay up, it will siphon nothing.

I read somewhere that improving the new player experience, from Hisec to Null aught to be a serious priority. Even over the concerns of those caught in Soul Crushing Lag in HED today. That was posted in fact by someone in that very fight. I admire some of the rather clever mechanics of the ESS concept, to be brutally honest. I like that CCP wants to shake up some of the status quo, and give a bone to small gang dogs along the way. We haven't heard much from Team CCP, but I'm pretty sure that its been posted, or at least implied that piecemeal explanations haven't been winning anyone over to seeing things 'their' way. I'm hoping that there are charts, graphs and an entire new devblog in the works, because I really want New Eden to be a great place to play.

If making the game better for newbros is a high level priority, this isn't the right implementation. Not as presented at least. There are too many 'outs' for those that can afford to not play the 'ESS game'. The richest parts of New Eden will just get richer, while the divide separating them from those on the margins will rise, partially as a direct result of trying to 'improve' their own fields with this new 'farms and fields' content. This hits the cellar of an already broken Trickle Down economic system in a way that, with too little upside, fails to inspire a willingness to endure. The ESS should be a lot more like the Combine was to all those before then that relied upon the yoke and oxen. Something that doesn't nerf fundamental 0.0 life so far below the crude income potential of Hisec that 0.0 is only a playplace for terribly spacerich nerds to posture over.

What an ESS like module aught to do, is give those tending the farms and fields enough upside to do something radically different. It should inspire them to farm in COMBAT SHIPS. Now that would be mindblowing, it would be lots of fun, and I have no idea at all how CCP could possibly make that happen, but it would be WOW, that was a GREAT idea CCP. If you look close enough, that is basically what they want out of the ESS as it is. As it is, it won't work. All the fears of isk faucet and whatnot is just gimping this thing into the ground so badly that 99% of the negrep community just won't use the thing, and have stated bluntly at the alliance level this thing will not be allowed. At all. Provibloc won't even touch it, and having lived there, that's some dirt poor folks saying, no, no way and maybe even never. If any part of New Eden should be embracing a potential wow, +5% TO ratting feature, it should be those guys. If Lol roleplayers and Lol some guy from Drones can't get behind this feature, then there has got to be something terribly terribly wrong.

If the ESS made enough of an impact that ratting in a PVP ship was preferable to being in a PVE ship, every FC in this game would love you. If I was in a small gang, looking at Dotlan for a high NPC kill area, and I had to send in a scout to check if there was an ESS, and then have to seriously consider if it was worth getting the fight that was sure to come, then the ESS would really be working as intended. Those gangs then would either get to pillage failfit PVE ships that thought they could get away with it, or they'd see ready formups happen, gudfites would be had and no one would be complaining about TIDI in HED, because they were just having too much fun elsewhere in New Eden.