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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#601 - 2014-01-18 09:52:11 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:

If that's the case are you saying that the area from VFK - Branch - the bottom of Pure Blind has less than 100 people in total? Because its obvious theres a crap load of anoms and sigs not being run in that area.


Which just goes to show that anoms are not worth running, just about everyone has abandoned them in favor of high sec missions and incursions. So nerfing them again is only going to make the handful that are left to simply move into high sec to make their isk.
Dave Stark
#602 - 2014-01-18 09:57:36 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Because as I have shown


i'm lazy; link.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#603 - 2014-01-18 09:58:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

If that's the case are you saying that the area from VFK - Branch - the bottom of Pure Blind has less than 100 people in total? Because its obvious theres a crap load of anoms and sigs not being run in that area.


Which just goes to show that anoms are not worth running, just about everyone has abandoned them in favor of high sec missions and incursions.

I think its more likely that you're trying to argue a fallacy. Its a fallacy to say there are not enough anoms to go around. You're Goons, you guys used to undock enmasse in anything and everything and in doing so you managed to beat one of the most sophisticated and rich alliances in the game.

But you've become just like that sophisticated and rich alliance. You're members are afraid to go more than a few jumps from safety and friends, you're no longer Goons except in name, you're BoB.

Those systems are there and people like me and a few other brave neuts are exploiting them. You're crying, much like BoB did, when you're self imposed limitations prevent you from risking for the big rewards.

You're excuses that theres no isk in null so you're off to safe high to bear it up is purely just that, an excuse.

That's not an attack on Goons or a personal attack on you, that's just how I perceive your and your alliances behaviour based on the evidence that is available.

Edit: You're and Your, please substitute as necessary, I'm too lazy :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#604 - 2014-01-18 10:03:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

If that's the case are you saying that the area from VFK - Branch - the bottom of Pure Blind has less than 100 people in total? Because its obvious theres a crap load of anoms and sigs not being run in that area.


Which just goes to show that anoms are not worth running, just about everyone has abandoned them in favor of high sec missions and incursions.

I think its more likely that you're trying to argue a fallacy. Its a fallacy to say there are not enough anoms to go around. You're Goons, you guys used to undock enmasse in anything and everything and in doing so you managed to beat one of the most sophisticated and rich alliances in the game.

But you've become just like that sophisticated and rich alliance. You're members are afraid to go more than a few jumps from safety and friends, you're no longer Goons except in name, you're BoB.

Those systems are there and people like me and a few other brave neuts are exploiting them. You're crying, much like BoB did, when you're self imposed limitations prevent you from risking for the big rewards.

You're excuses that theres no isk in null so you're off to safe high to bear it up is purely just that, an excuse.

That's not an attack on Goons or a personal attack on you, that's just how I perceive your and your alliances behaviour based on the evidence that is available.


Where did I say there were not enough anoms?

Anoms pay less than missions do now, this 5% nerf is just making the gap even bigger so we have gone where the isk is. We want to make isk in null, its where we want to live and the more people who make their isk in null the more combat there is.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#605 - 2014-01-18 12:49:26 UTC
Infinity, just stop. It's obvious just how wrong you are. Just as it was when you talked about placing an ESS 100KM from a POS. You of course ignored the fact you were wrong then, as you are now. Kinda skipped right over that failure and simply continued to spout misinformation, just as you are now.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#606 - 2014-01-18 14:01:26 UTC
Quote:
But you've become just like that sophisticated and rich alliance. You're members are afraid to go more than a few jumps from safety and friends, you're no longer Goons except in name, you're BoB.


Speaking from experience on the subject...

ROFL.

No, they're not. You don't even know the half of it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#607 - 2014-01-18 14:05:23 UTC
this is hilarious, goons complaining about PVE nerf.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#608 - 2014-01-18 14:06:14 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
, you're no longer Goons except in name,

you only say that because you can't smell them
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#609 - 2014-01-18 14:06:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
But you've become just like that sophisticated and rich alliance. You're members are afraid to go more than a few jumps from safety and friends, you're no longer Goons except in name, you're BoB.


Speaking from experience on the subject...

ROFL.

No, they're not. You don't even know the half of it.


I'm genuinely interested to hear about this. Please continue.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#610 - 2014-01-18 14:09:04 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Infinity, just stop. It's obvious just how wrong you are. Just as it was when you talked about placing an ESS 100KM from a POS. You of course ignored the fact you were wrong then, as you are now. Kinda skipped right over that failure and simply continued to spout misinformation, just as you are now.

Who cares if I was wrong about 100km. I misread the dev blog. Mistakes happen. However the blog states several hundred. This actually makes it easier (tracking issues) rather than harder to blap something attempting to access the ESS.

As you may or may not know POS guns are able to shoot much farther than their auto activation range meaning an alt can lock and shoot anyone attempting to access the ESS before that 40 sec is up, especially non nulli ships using mwd. Some guns can hit out to 500km.

It's a pretty simple procedure to extend the grid, drop the ESS, have your alt in POS and when you get the message blow the intruder to bits.

Additionally for cloakies and inties a simple tanked Rohk with smarties, cloak sitting 2.5 km from the ESS will pop most any ceptor and scram and survive long enough for reshipping to PvP ships.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Fix Sov
#611 - 2014-01-18 14:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Fix Sov
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You're excuses that theres no isk in null so you're off to safe high to bear it up is purely just that, an excuse.

"It's less effort and risk to do activity x in hisec, which is why we're doing them in hisec" != "there's no isk in null".

Pandora Barzane wrote:
this is hilarious, goons complaining about PVE nerf.

I think you'll find that what's being done here isn't complaining about a PVE nerf, but pointing out a ridiculously stupid game mechanic which CCP is about to add.

The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change.
Fix Sov
#612 - 2014-01-18 14:14:31 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
It's a pretty simple procedure to extend the grid, drop the ESS, have your alt in POS and when you get the message blow the intruder to bits.

Additionally for cloakies and inties a simple tanked Rohk with smarties, cloak sitting 2.5 km from the ESS will pop most any ceptor and scram and survive long enough for reshipping to PvP ships.

So to break even we've got to take an even bigger hit because we've got to expend the time and energy to do all of this and keep either an alt (or multiple alts) at a POS or in a rokh sitting right next to the ESS, thus making our efficiency even worse? Instead of just ignoring it and the 5% bounty reduction this implies, or just saying "you know what, **** it, hisec's better for this"?

Okay, then.

The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#613 - 2014-01-18 14:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Fix Sov wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
It's a pretty simple procedure to extend the grid, drop the ESS, have your alt in POS and when you get the message blow the intruder to bits.

Additionally for cloakies and inties a simple tanked Rohk with smarties, cloak sitting 2.5 km from the ESS will pop most any ceptor and scram and survive long enough for reshipping to PvP ships.

So to break even we've got to take an even bigger hit because we've got to expend the time and energy to do all of this and keep either an alt (or multiple alts) at a POS or in a rokh sitting right next to the ESS, thus making our efficiency even worse? Instead of just ignoring it and the 5% bounty reduction this implies, or just saying "you know what, **** it, hisec's better for this"?

Okay, then.

WoW. Yes that word was formatted like that for a reason.

WTF is wrong with you guys. It's fun cloaky smart bombing people. I imagine its hilarious sniping someone with a POS gun. Isk Ratio be screwed lol. I don't care if high sec is 7.4444 more efficient on a full moon in June. I play EvE for fun.

If you're so obsessed with ratios that a mere 5% makes you cry then stay in high ffs. How do you guys deal with the trauma of losing a T2 drone lol.

If your making 100 mill an hour then now your making 95, whoop di dooooo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#614 - 2014-01-18 14:36:17 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
this is hilarious, goons complaining about PVE nerf.



ever since the tech nerf they are reliant on renters for thier SRP.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Fix Sov
#615 - 2014-01-18 14:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Fix Sov
Oh, so you're ignoring the fact that what you're proposing implies I'd have to put a guy in a POS or on an ESS, instead of putting that guy in a fleet with the other guys of mine and making it far more efficient to burn through red crosses, thus far exceeding the meager increase the ESS would possibly have (with no risk of any of it being stolen by anyone)?

Okay, then.

The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#616 - 2014-01-18 14:40:02 UTC
Fix Sov wrote:
Oh, so you're ignoring the fact that what you're proposing implies I'd have to put a guy in a POS or on an ESS, instead of putting that guy in a fleet with the other guys of mine and making it far more efficient to burn through red crosses, thus far exceeding the meager increase the ESS would possibly have (with no risk of any of it being stolen by anyone?

Okay, then.

Effort in null sec, my heart bleeds for you.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#617 - 2014-01-18 14:40:56 UTC
Fix Sov wrote:
Oh, so you're ignoring the fact that what you're proposing implies I'd have to put a guy in a POS or on an ESS, instead of putting that guy in a fleet with the other guys of mine and making it far more efficient to burn through red crosses, thus far exceeding the meager increase the ESS would possibly have (with no risk of any of it being stolen by anyone?

Okay, then.

some smarter people already proposed you to leave 0.0 and go run incursions (even SOE lvl4s count) to make more money.

Maybe it's time to finally accept it?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Fix Sov
#618 - 2014-01-18 14:41:11 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Fix Sov wrote:
Oh, so you're ignoring the fact that what you're proposing implies I'd have to put a guy in a POS or on an ESS, instead of putting that guy in a fleet with the other guys of mine and making it far more efficient to burn through red crosses, thus far exceeding the meager increase the ESS would possibly have (with no risk of any of it being stolen by anyone)?

Okay, then.

Effort in null sec, my heart bleeds for you.

And thus we see the crux of your argument for the ESS: "I just want to make these 'nullbears' cry".

The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change.
Fix Sov
#619 - 2014-01-18 14:42:01 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Fix Sov wrote:
Oh, so you're ignoring the fact that what you're proposing implies I'd have to put a guy in a POS or on an ESS, instead of putting that guy in a fleet with the other guys of mine and making it far more efficient to burn through red crosses, thus far exceeding the meager increase the ESS would possibly have (with no risk of any of it being stolen by anyone?

Okay, then.

some smarter people already proposed you to leave 0.0 and go run incursions (even SOE lvl4s count) to make more money.

Maybe it's time to finally accept it?

I don't even bother with incursions or L4s, I make much more for much less effort by doing market trading. vOv

The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#620 - 2014-01-18 14:44:11 UTC
Fix Sov wrote:
I don't even bother with incursions or L4s, I make much more for much less effort by doing market trading. vOv

then what is all this thread about??? Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"