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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#461 - 2014-01-18 00:45:18 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:


Well, if it's going to leak anyway, why don't we just admit we threatened to hire BL for 500trillion ISK if they said no?

Look like five posts up.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#462 - 2014-01-18 02:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
mynnna wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:


Well, if it's going to leak anyway, why don't we just admit we threatened to hire BL for 500trillion ISK if they said no?

Look like five posts up.

Right. But Gevlon said we *must* have threatened them, as there's no other reason they would be doing this. That must be a fake mail.

e: Oh, wait, herpa-derp, I just need to make a new page in things_gevlon_got_wrong.doc

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#463 - 2014-01-18 04:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlon Goblin
OK, RvB believed that Goons can fight in highsec and offered a deal.

I just don't get why not RvB is laying back and doing nothing. I mean if Goons can win against Lemmings, they were right and they can uphold their deal. If Goons lose, they can just declare war on Goons and take all POCOs. Or simply buy our troll POCOs after a day or two.

I still don't see what is so good for RvB protecting Goon POCOs.
What I see is that this thread has more CSMs and directors than the minutes. EDIT: I mean I don't see why two CSMs and first/second men of their multi-thousand member alliance find it so important to explain themselves to a highsec pubbie who doesn't get EVE, even so far that they publish internal communication (or forge one). It's obviously not about convincing me. I think I stumbled on something that I don't fully understand yet, but our panicked little CSMs are really concerned that I (or someone else) might figure it out.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Davish Krail
#464 - 2014-01-18 05:45:07 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
OK, RvB believed that Goons can fight in highsec and offered a deal.

I just don't get why not RvB is laying back and doing nothing. I mean if Goons can win against Lemmings, they were right and they can uphold their deal. If Goons lose, they can just declare war on Goons and take all POCOs. Or simply buy our troll POCOs after a day or two.

I still don't see what is so good for RvB protecting Goon POCOs.
What I see is that this thread has more CSMs and directors than the minutes. EDIT: I mean I don't see why two CSMs and first/second men of their multi-thousand member alliance find it so important to explain themselves to a highsec pubbie who doesn't get EVE, even so far that they publish internal communication (or forge one). It's obviously not about convincing me. I think I stumbled on something that I don't fully understand yet, but our panicked little CSMs are really concerned that I (or someone else) might figure it out.


We are going to break some serious ground here, and I mean this could be ~life altering~ for you. Shall we begin?

People sometimes do things for fun. It's not part of some gigantic convoluted plot, but simply down to RvB likes PvP.

Sorry I lied it's a big plot out to get you, Gevlon. All of this is for you.
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#465 - 2014-01-18 05:48:50 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
OK, RvB believed that Goons can fight in highsec and offered a deal.

I just don't get why not RvB is laying back and doing nothing. I mean if Goons can win against Lemmings, they were right and they can uphold their deal. If Goons lose, they can just declare war on Goons and take all POCOs. Or simply buy our troll POCOs after a day or two.

I still don't see what is so good for RvB protecting Goon POCOs.
What I see is that this thread has more CSMs and directors than the minutes. EDIT: I mean I don't see why two CSMs and first/second men of their multi-thousand member alliance find it so important to explain themselves to a highsec pubbie who doesn't get EVE, even so far that they publish internal communication (or forge one). It's obviously not about convincing me. I think I stumbled on something that I don't fully understand yet, but our panicked little CSMs are really concerned that I (or someone else) might figure it out.



The reason why you don't understand this is the same reason that explain why despite having lots of isk you'll never understand eve. You're a savant (and I Dont mean that as a compliment) whatever ASD you suffer from its keeping you from understanding what normal human beings are motivated by.
Northern Misfit
Far Mt Logistics
#466 - 2014-01-18 06:24:26 UTC
RvB has fun with it's PvP, this isn't a hard concept to understand really. It's not as scandalous as you'd like everyone to believe, you wanted something to do this weekend, now you have lots of things to do.

You're welcome

High Priestess of the Sovereign Realm of Explosions and Light

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#467 - 2014-01-18 06:30:36 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:

The reason why you don't understand this is the same reason that explain why despite having lots of isk you'll never understand eve. You're a savant (and I Dont mean that as a compliment) whatever ASD you suffer from its keeping you from understanding what normal human beings are motivated by.


You are evading. If the answer would be obvious to everyone else (like in the case "why does that girl wants to be with that horrible boy - because she's in love"), there wouldn't be topic at the first place full of directors and CSMs. Please note that the recent actions of RvB are anything but common among "normal human beings". Or you claim "normal human beings" use to jump in to save strangers from losing their structures? According to the Pastebin Mynnna and Mangala posted, the RvBee treaty was non-aggression and not mutual defense pact (RvB can't sign such as it would place it into CFC and lead to losing N3 alts).

Also, while creating forum drama is indeed common among human beings, this thread has very few forum troll alts. Practically Davish Krail and Xolve are the only trolls here (Khanh'rhh is an honest dumb) and they are largely ignored. This thread - despite its obviously inflammatory content, a foreverwar started out of ideological reasons - is one of the least trolled ones in EVE-O. No one is raging, there are no "you #@#$#% I will hunt you you quit EVE" or "CCP ban them" stuff. Various directors and pixelspace-VIPs are posting well-thought things.

I start to see that there is no coverup or conspiracy here. Neither RvB, nor Goon directors really understand why things happen the way they do and you are curious. I think both Goons and you are honestly surprised when you saw how easy it is to threaten Goon POCOs. I start to believe that RvB indeed jumped to the war because of "good fights", believing that Lemmings must be a worthy enemy if they could successfully threatened Goon assets, and now you sit puzzled when you see that Lemmings are ... lemmings, random highsec alts with little PvP knowledge, no real match to RvB gangs.

Admit it: you want to understand this mess just as much as I do!

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#468 - 2014-01-18 07:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis Robichaud
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Xolve wrote:

I don't think he can afford our attention.


I already got your attention, hence the posting. Admit it, you are just afraid that Goons will be defeated by us and not the famous PL.


I think that's the silliest thing I've ever seen you write, and' that's saying a lot...

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
, believing that Lemmings must be a worthy enemy if they could successfully threatened Goon assets, and now you sit puzzled when you see that Lemmings are ... lemmings, random highsec alts with little PvP knowledge, no real match to RvB gangs.

Admit it: you want to understand this mess just as much as I do!


Ok, so the lemmings have little PvP knowledge, ok (hey lemmings, want to learn how to fight and have fun! Join RvB!) So *how* can they actually threaten the POCOs then?

Your plan is doomed, because you are offering *nothing* to the lemmings. They won't learn to PvP, they will just get owned in fights or will have to retreat. They won't have fun... they might have a vague feeling of "grr-goons!!" but that won't last long as no successes are achieved. Marmite will keep doing what Marmite does, which *isn't* taking POCOs you will note, and I sincerely doubt they will take the time to teach those lemmings.

If you could somehow sustain this effort for a year, sure you might accomplish something. But it's not going to happen because you don't actually are offering the chance to the "lemmings" to do anything.

Again folks, if you are considering joining the lemmings, join RvB instead. A ton of fun, and a great stepping stone towards the wild world of eve and away from the mining barges.

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#469 - 2014-01-18 07:58:19 UTC
Louis Robichaud wrote:

Your plan is doomed, because you are offering *nothing* to the lemmings. They won't learn to PvP, they will just get owned in fights or will have to retreat. They won't have fun... they might have a vague feeling of "grr-goons!!" but that won't last long as no successes are achieved. Marmite will keep doing what Marmite does, which *isn't* taking POCOs you will note, and I sincerely doubt they will take the time to teach those lemmings.


If that is the case, why the attention? Why did RvB wardec? Why 23 pages with CSMs?
I mean EVE is full of doomed corps and alliances (usually with the line "friendly helpful team looking for people we mine, mission and learn PvP together). Do they all get the same attention? What makes Lemmings special then?

What makes Lemmings special to you making you post in this thread?

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

flakeys
Doomheim
#470 - 2014-01-18 08:24:55 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
I think I stumbled on something that I don't fully understand .



You should be used to that by now ... Roll


At least your contributing with this thread.Next time i am telling someone he should start trading because really ANY idiot can do it i'll just have to link this thread to prove my point .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

flakeys
Doomheim
#471 - 2014-01-18 08:44:17 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

Your plan is doomed, because you are offering *nothing* to the lemmings. They won't learn to PvP, they will just get owned in fights or will have to retreat. They won't have fun... they might have a vague feeling of "grr-goons!!" but that won't last long as no successes are achieved. Marmite will keep doing what Marmite does, which *isn't* taking POCOs you will note, and I sincerely doubt they will take the time to teach those lemmings.


If that is the case, why the attention? Why did RvB wardec? Why 23 pages with CSMs?
I mean EVE is full of doomed corps and alliances (usually with the line "friendly helpful team looking for people we mine, mission and learn PvP together). Do they all get the same attention? What makes Lemmings special then?

What makes Lemmings special to you making you post in this thread?



Because people like to mock and stomp on public idiots quite simple and you had that tag even before posting this thread .

You know harry forever right?He got a lot of attention on the forum , his threads gone up to 50 pages and over at times.Because he was 'on to something'?Because he was a serious thread to goons or CFC ?Because he was special?
Nope , it's because he was one of the biggest idiots the forums had seen in quite some time.Since harry has allmost stopped posting recently you can see yourself as the next in line.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#472 - 2014-01-18 08:47:33 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

Your plan is doomed, because you are offering *nothing* to the lemmings. They won't learn to PvP, they will just get owned in fights or will have to retreat. They won't have fun... they might have a vague feeling of "grr-goons!!" but that won't last long as no successes are achieved. Marmite will keep doing what Marmite does, which *isn't* taking POCOs you will note, and I sincerely doubt they will take the time to teach those lemmings.


If that is the case, why the attention? Why did RvB wardec? Why 23 pages with CSMs?
I mean EVE is full of doomed corps and alliances (usually with the line "friendly helpful team looking for people we mine, mission and learn PvP together). Do they all get the same attention? What makes Lemmings special then?

What makes Lemmings special to you making you post in this thread?


Personally, I felt that your grandiose "RvB failure" blog entry deserved some attention. And if a single player decides to join us after reading my post instead of this crazy lemming idea, then I've done my job.

(although, I'll grant you this - I rather someone *try* PvP and join the lemming than remain a miner forever!)

In general, I think people are drawn to this thread as they are drawn to a trainwreck. Some people doubtlessly feel that some of your notions are extremely entertaining. Like you declaring PL was afraid you were going to defeat the Goons instead of them... I mean wow, just wow. You aren't getting attention because you are the fearsome tiger stalking the streets. Rather people are saying "wow, look at that pink donkey!"

I'll grant it's possible that you are trolling too and don't actually mean it, or are trying to weave propaganda. Unfortunately for you, you're doing it so poorly it's comedic.

In a way I feel sorry for you Gevlon. You clearly are very intelligent, and sometimes very insightful... yet you lack understanding of EVE (and I suspect, human nature) in a fundamental, profound way. Reading your blogs and your posts and your plans is like seeing a cook select the finest ingredient for a stew, along with a few surprisingly original ones... and then instead of using red wine or beer as a base, you use sewage water, ruining everything. Our job as readers is picking out those great ingredient ideas and avoiding the stew.

Where are the concrete results showing you're making progress?

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#473 - 2014-01-18 09:07:15 UTC
Louis Robichaud wrote:

Where are the concrete results showing you're making progress?

Oh, I just found some really concrete results (historic, not my doing). I couldn't find it without this "pink donkey" thread. You know, if someone posts too much, he sometimes utter out something he wanted to keep secret. Or desperately trying to disprove something no one wanted to prove, and getting attention to it.

Let's just say that I know now what you don't, why the Goons are so scared that they mobilized you against Lemmings. (Hint: not from me or the Lemmings)

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Ritual Union
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#474 - 2014-01-18 09:23:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ritual Union
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Admit it: you want to understand this mess just as much as I do!


Allow me to enlighten you: the goons don't want an ally whose only goal is to shoot them (even if we're talking high sec), the RvB don't want to have the "brave newbies" equivalent in their space. As a bonus comes the fact that they can troll the one guy who for more than a year took a **** out of almost everyone else playing Eve: that's you.

Ironically, your idea, while having some potential, had/has one major problem at its core: it was/is your idea to begin with. Anyway, you knew all that. After all, (insert whatever).

Roll

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Enya Dorne
#475 - 2014-01-18 10:05:46 UTC
I kinda get the urge to Join RvB...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#476 - 2014-01-18 10:17:38 UTC
you should make a horrible propaganda video with a sabaton soundtrack for your cause

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#477 - 2014-01-18 12:18:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Davish Krail wrote:
Also wololololo that guy dropped corp. What is Renegade Heart's story? Shooting capsules in a trade hub to hard?

Pitiful.


Quite the opposite in fact. Hence why I was planning to move into Josameto for the foreseeable future, for a bigger challenge. However it seemed Gevlon had other ideas on how to achieve victory.

Instead of wishing to put effort into a guerilla campaign he wants to pay for others to do so. Without real commitment, not only in terms of isk, but also of his time in-game, I could not bring myself to slave away for months taking potshots at RvB pods, for the benefit of someone who I feel didn't deserve my efforts. I can be persistant Big smile

Instead I'll take a detour in the militia to practise my blapnado techinque. P

I am sorry to say this Gevlon but I get the impression that you are a spoilt rich kid who thinks money can buy everything. Whilst you may have some noble ideas (david vs goliath etc...) I do not "dislike" Goons that much. I'd have shot at N3 if they were "top" too. Smile

The militia has lots of targets I see.
Dave Stark
#478 - 2014-01-18 12:37:10 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
he wants to pay for others to do so. Without real commitment, not only in terms of isk, but also of his time in-game,


that's pretty much the summary and demise of every idea he's had. although him paying for something is a slightly new tactic, usually he just wants people to give him money to do things they can already do with out him.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#479 - 2014-01-18 12:47:06 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

Your plan is doomed, because you are offering *nothing* to the lemmings. They won't learn to PvP, they will just get owned in fights or will have to retreat. They won't have fun... they might have a vague feeling of "grr-goons!!" but that won't last long as no successes are achieved. Marmite will keep doing what Marmite does, which *isn't* taking POCOs you will note, and I sincerely doubt they will take the time to teach those lemmings.


If that is the case, why the attention? Why did RvB wardec? Why 23 pages with CSMs?
I mean EVE is full of doomed corps and alliances (usually with the line "friendly helpful team looking for people we mine, mission and learn PvP together). Do they all get the same attention? What makes Lemmings special then?

What makes Lemmings special to you making you post in this thread?
Oh for **** sake how many times are you going to play the "buy you're posting!" card. Posts about noobs getting bumped also get to over 20 pages. Its the forum, people post, including CSMs. The only reason posts continue to go in is you and the lemmings guys keep posting profoundly stupid things and we all take the **** out of them. None of that suddenly makes anything you do matter. How do you not get it yet?

And the RVB situation has been explained, in depth. Neither side wanted to step on each others toes and waste time with reinforcement timers, so they came to a mutually beneficial agreement, like has been dun hundreds if not thousands of times in the past between many many groups. If that's not good enough for you, that's your problem.

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#480 - 2014-01-18 12:56:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Dave Stark wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
he wants to pay for others to do so. Without real commitment, not only in terms of isk, but also of his time in-game,


that's pretty much the summary and demise of every idea he's had. although him paying for something is a slightly new tactic, usually he just wants people to give him money to do things they can already do with out him.


Not actually his first attempt. He bought into TEST (which was when we well and truly knew they were absolutely rogered. Morale skyrocketed, which is funny because it was pretty high beforehand) and in a roundabout sort of way, funded all the thieves who made off with the loot just before the whole enterprise went **** up.

Now he's bought himself a hisec anti-goon alliance. I suppose you could call that progress... if you squint really, really hard and avoid looking at all the holes in the plan.

edit: that's a censored word? Really? PEGI PG13 strikes again I guess.

For those who couldn't guess, I was talking about bosoms.

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