EVE General Discussion

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Hell, I have 4. It's hardly unusual.

After reading through the thread,..and I must confess that my eyes are a bleeding, I would respectively request that the implementation of such modules is suspended until, at least, a more thorough and readily acceptable concept can be formulated.

Hahaha Jeff! Almost forgot him! xD

Mittani.com....but wear the tin foil hat before you go

I wouldn't say everyone hates it...just the nullsec children who think everything needs to be in their favor.

Clear and concise feedback: the premises behind the ESS is deeply flawed. There are absolutely no incentives that I can see for deploying this module in a system I would rat in (not that I'm going to rat, **** ratting forever), because the disadvantage to not deploying it is overshadowed by the amount of time and energy you have to spend guarding the ESS and making sure the bounties etc are shared to the right people and not stolen by some neutral, red or blue guy.

If you absolutely want to make a farms and fields style module, think of something which'll make people actually want to deploy it, such as a proper nerf to bounties if it's inactive like, say, 25-50% or whatever, which is reversed (or mostly reversed if you feel like nullsec is spewing forth too much ISK, but in that case you should probably be upfront about it and just say that there's too much isk coming into the economy so we're going to reduce payouts by x%), make it hackable/incappable by a smallish gang, and f.ex make it so a percentage of the un-nerfed bounties is sent to everyone who was in on hacking/reinforcing it. And it'll stay that way until someone fixes it by reverse-enginnering/hacking/repping it.

That way the system owner has an incentive to deploy it (because it actually matters), he doesn't have to dedicate one or more alts to just watching the structure in case some blue idiot comes derping along and presses the steal everything button, he has an incentive (albeit probably not enough, but them's the breaks) to actually defend it, and he'll have to do something to fix the situation if someone does come around and muck about with the module.

No miners will die over this. Thats how terrible this idea is.

There is only one Harry Forever and we have him.

This may come as a shock to some people, but that ratting "person" is frequently an alt of someone currently engaged in a pvp fleet elsewhere on their main account. No, I'm not going to jump on dual comms and try to form up a gang to counter a few dudes roaming by, especially if they are in interceptors or cloakies. I'm going to dock the alt and focus on what I'm doing on the main screen.

Even if I'm not otherwise engaged, no I won't form up with the 5 dudes that happen to be awake in station to engage your 30 man cruiser gang in the next 60 seconds.

People who cry about "null bears" seem to be oblivious to an important fact. Actual pvp losses when they undock are reimbursed by the alliance anyway. There is nothing for them to be afraid of losing. What these people are really crying about is failing to gank non-reimbursable PvE boats, which by definition are not fight capable and WILL dock at every opportunity by design. The reason you don't get a fight, is you're not providing an opportunity for a decent fight. Sometimes it's as simple as not having an appropriate ship in station to engage what you brought, not just a question of numbers.



That's pretty much it. If we can form up and get a fight, we will. If we do form, don't cry about blobbing and expect us to tell people who want to fight to sit it out.


At least a siphon steals something while it's there to the benefit of the attacker. The defenders will never deploy an ESS to start with in current form and it is useless for the attackers to deploy. All it does is provide a global warpin for an off gate fight. About the only positive side I see, is it provides incentive for the attackers to stay in system and take the fight after deploying one offensively. But that's not an incentive to deploy it offensively either. I guess leaving it could work as bait in a hotdrop / logoffski trap for when the ratter decides to take it down.

Then there are the issues of trying to do a coordinated "ratting op" to effectively use one of these. First and foremost, if we have enough dudes for that, we're going on a roam looking for targets instead. Not ratting. Second, an average null system can hardly support a gang ratting efficiently. Third, thanks to EvE's PvE structure, this "ratting gang" will be spread around the system and must dock up to reship before taking the fight. They can't simply fleet warp to the ESS. Which means the aggressor can set up first, bubble the undock and blap nullified ships coming to cash out. A scout for an early warning could be another ratter that just docks up without deploying the structure. An alt sitting on the ESS for emergency cash out could likewise be another ratter. One could argue that a pipe with multiple systems could handle a 20+ man ratting operation and do it profitably with a dedicated scout, but that takes us back to the first point. Why would they form up to rat instead of going to PvP? Ratting is typically something you do sporadically in downtime, solo, when there is nothing better to do with that character at the moment.