EVE General Discussion

The only thing better in this thread than the supposed ~tears~ is the level of sheer grr goon.

Grr goon where will you rat now grr goon go back to hisec where you belong! Bonus points for Infinity Z bragging about running DED Plexes in hostile space in a cloaky/nullified ship. Clearly, a one-man example of how null income works in the entirety of space.

That said, IZ does touch on a certain thing here, demonstrating in part why exactly ESS is a bad idea. DEDs wouldn't be affected, and they are - barring high-level moon income - likely the highest-reward activity. That's if you're lucky with the drops of course, because a lot of the time you find just Overseer Effects, so plexing isn't exactly the "Guaranteed pirate BS BPC/X-Type mods" thing.

Those are commodities however, their price remains unaffected by the ESS, high-value and dependent on the market. Bounty income matters with anomaly blitzing. Individual bounty of one high-value BS rat is very low - you need to kill hundreds of them to make a semi-decent amount of cash.

The average payout of a Haven is around 40 million in bounties, the payout of a Forsaken Hub is 25. Now, if we assume they all are composed out of the same type of rat (they aren't, no) we're lowering the payout of a Haven to 38m base. Then, we can risk the anomaly being worth 30m to make it worth, in total, 40 million ISK (regain the old 38 + 5%, ~40). You're risking 8m per anomaly to gain the old income back.

Thing with ratting income is that it's the lowest, baseline way of making money in null. It has to be very optimized to make it cost-effective, because if you're not making it cost effective enough - you're actually better off running incursions or Level 4 missions in hisec space. Ratting income doesn't come in bursts of selling super-expensive loot, but from slowly trickling rewards - so it's literally hours of farming anomalies to get good cash. Furthermore, with rats always spawning anyway there's no incentive in staying on the field if a gang comes in - they can't steal your loot, and if they go away in 20 minutes you lost maybe 15-25 million in rewards.

The only viable reason I could see to anchor an ESS is to leech bounties and disrupt large ratting operations, due to it cutting the anom income by 20% regardless of who cashes out. Sadly, in this role it's impaired as well - you can put dscan disruptors on it and make a nice trap but... you're still in local, and everyone sees this thing anchored. They'll dock up, wait for you to leave and blap the ESS. Done.

The concept of having a structure that could increase your paycheck while at risk of being raided is great. However in its current iteration it's just useless and I can't really see why anyone would think it's a good idea. Though, I guess, people would kill for a klondike bar or a chicken sandwich - so maybe for increasing the cost of an anomaly by that of a single battleship rat too.

Ruh-roh, watch out dear allied poasting division we've got some serious badasses around that mean business and aren't afraid to go one-on-one with you!

Can we blob on the forums? I assume it can be done.

Yes, it is.



By definition your personal findings will always be just that - anecdotal evidence.
A) Your sample size is no where near representative to determine an average income
B) Your sample is not representative of a typical case of a null sec resident

You personally camp an entire constellation of hostile space 23/7 with 10 accounts. Your findings are completely irrelevant to the topic. Take a constellation, move in to it with a few hundred guys, then after a few months we can start calculating average income per member per unit of time spent securing that income.

Like I said before, 15 km or closer to an ESS in high sec should flag you as suspect. It only makes sense. Oh and warp disrupted too.

• The ESS has a warp bubble with a radius of 15km. Warping to the ESS brings you to the edge of the bubble. This warp bubble has exactly the same functionality as a normal one.

Sorry what is the point of this, as much as I love the interceptor being -->"Immune"<-- to bubbles, I'm assuming this is still the case even with these bubbles? Again what is the point of this? Any thief in their right mind would use an interceptor when stealing so this pretty much the same as 0 protection. Make the bubble bigger and change it so interceptors can't warp to zero.

How about making the ESS hackable?

I'd be willing to live with these damn deployables if they are a challenge to steal (what's inside)...

If the ESS can be used in all space; then it would be in constant use in high sec, especially mission hubs. Which means all those mission runners go from 100% to 80% while the other 20% is constantly battled over by those brave enough.

"But I am in null, why should I care?"

Easy, with a reduced income from mission runners to 80% it means your 95% is an actual boost to null space. That is of course if you choose to just kill all ESS. So essentially as long as the ESS can go in any space, it is a buff to null.

Just to stop, enhance and or reduce this arguement discussion about putting the ESS in highsec, you forget it has a warp bubble around it...

last i saw, 90m/hour was the best you'd get from anoms in null. that's still less than 80% of current incursion income (before lp).
i'm hardly going to risk my incursion ship to try and get a bit of isk out of a deployable structure when i'm still earning more than any other activity that involves shooting red crosses while watching netflix.

so what i'm really saying is; the structure still isn't fun, i'm just losing income. an across the board income nerf is less hassle and achieves the exact same thing.

You need to edumudicate yourself a bit :)

Anecdotal evidence generally refers to a 'story' told regarding an event. "I was walking along a track and was abducted and anal probed by strange alien hillbillies". They provide no hard evidence, such as used anal probes or odd burn marks attributable to possible still fitted spacecraft.

Sample size is irrelevant given some data is better than no data, which is what you offer. Data representative of the average null seccers is the opposite of what we need since my stance is that your income is being deliberately curtailed by your voluntary restrictions against utilizing other peoples space due to your bluing every and all in your area out of fear.

Don't try to out science me unless you know what basic science is actually about.

Did they fix control towers yet?

Will ess bring more people to null?