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Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#441 - 2014-01-17 02:05:32 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
LOL
"Null not worth it anymore"
"But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! "
"Forced into highsec"
Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Smile


Whats hard to get about this?

You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option?

CCP must have different numbers than yourself.


I'm betting the per capita income difference between the average null pleb and the average high sec pleb leaves the null pleb in front. The higher bounty generation in empire would be due to the much higher population turning over a lot more lower value rats. Just a guess on that, haven't seen numbers.


There is a finite number of systems that allow more than 1 person to rat effectively at a time.

Hilariously in my system, the ports spawn with 4x 1.2m bounty rats in military 1, and in military 2 (which is an entirely reliable event), and then at military 3 it changes over to almost always spawning the alternate spawn that has only 2 500k BS in the last spawn and has 2 waves of multiple elite frigates out of 4 waves total, AND is harder to tank. So in military 2, I get the necessary 2 ports to for 1 person to run 60m/hr, but in military 3, I don't, I have to run the 45m/hr forlorn rally point and I think the forlorn den is the best to go with it, because of how badly the ports go sour. (I brought a hyperion out here specifically to void the ports, but an hour of voiding the ports puts the system into military 3, meaning I just wasted a great deal of effort hauling a ship that is basically useless now unless I stop ratting for days).

In military 4 I get the 2 hubs necessary for 1 person to run 60m hour, and in military 5, I probably have enough for 2 people to rat because there are 3 hubs - but military 5 probably requires 3 people ratting to actually hit it. which the system doesn't offer unless they aren't in the same TZ.

Note that I easily blitz 60m/hr with a dominix running for FIO (which just has a basic gallente navy LP store), and I can blitz more than 100m/hr for sisters with a dominix. I don't need a billion isk in the ihub, I don't need to make a freighter run and 4 JF runs to set it up, I don't need to fuel a pos, and I don't need to warp into the pos and select a PVP ship everytime someone enters the system.

ie TL;DR dominion isk making system is oriented towards an entirely different organisational structure than the dominion strategic system is, hence all the bitching, and hence the obvious observation that some 10 regions are now almost entirely populated by the renters who have organisations more suited to actually extracting some value out of the terrible flyover territory that makes up most of null.


That's good to know. You're a more effective high sec carebear then you are nullbear. If you had a point though, I'd appreciate it if you would spell it out for me.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#442 - 2014-01-17 02:05:47 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
cannot decide who had the wrose dev blog

soniclover of zulu back in 2007

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/capital-ships-in-eve-whats-up-doc/



Jesus. Fighters already suck.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#443 - 2014-01-17 02:28:52 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
LOL
"Null not worth it anymore"
"But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! "
"Forced into highsec"
Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Smile


Whats hard to get about this?

You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option?

CCP must have different numbers than yourself.


I'm betting the per capita income difference between the average null pleb and the average high sec pleb leaves the null pleb in front. The higher bounty generation in empire would be due to the much higher population turning over a lot more lower value rats. Just a guess on that, haven't seen numbers.


There is a finite number of systems that allow more than 1 person to rat effectively at a time.

Hilariously in my system, the ports spawn with 4x 1.2m bounty rats in military 1, and in military 2 (which is an entirely reliable event), and then at military 3 it changes over to almost always spawning the alternate spawn that has only 2 500k BS in the last spawn and has 2 waves of multiple elite frigates out of 4 waves total, AND is harder to tank. So in military 2, I get the necessary 2 ports to for 1 person to run 60m/hr, but in military 3, I don't, I have to run the 45m/hr forlorn rally point and I think the forlorn den is the best to go with it, because of how badly the ports go sour. (I brought a hyperion out here specifically to void the ports, but an hour of voiding the ports puts the system into military 3, meaning I just wasted a great deal of effort hauling a ship that is basically useless now unless I stop ratting for days).

In military 4 I get the 2 hubs necessary for 1 person to run 60m hour, and in military 5, I probably have enough for 2 people to rat because there are 3 hubs - but military 5 probably requires 3 people ratting to actually hit it. which the system doesn't offer unless they aren't in the same TZ.

Note that I easily blitz 60m/hr with a dominix running for FIO (which just has a basic gallente navy LP store), and I can blitz more than 100m/hr for sisters with a dominix. I don't need a billion isk in the ihub, I don't need to make a freighter run and 4 JF runs to set it up, I don't need to fuel a pos, and I don't need to warp into the pos and select a PVP ship everytime someone enters the system.

ie TL;DR dominion isk making system is oriented towards an entirely different organisational structure than the dominion strategic system is, hence all the bitching, and hence the obvious observation that some 10 regions are now almost entirely populated by the renters who have organisations more suited to actually extracting some value out of the terrible flyover territory that makes up most of null.


I don't disagree with the last paragraph but a fully upgraded military five system in even fairly crappy sec can support more than three ratters unless you are specifically gimping your corps anom choice by sticking to one ratting ship type. I'm assuming Gurristas.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#444 - 2014-01-17 02:31:46 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:


That's good to know. You're a more effective high sec carebear then you are nullbear. If you had a point though, I'd appreciate it if you would spell it out for me.


The point is I don't believe you have any sound basis for estimating the average nullbears income.

The other point is, the stupid thing is only useful when there are so many characters in a system that one of them can pooshbutton anyway becaues there are no anomolies left for it to rat.

Which is great for the 200 systems where that might be true, and not at all great for the 2700 systems where it isn't. If the whole idea was to put more players in the 2700 systems that people flyover with interceptors on their way to patrol the 3 systems in each region that people do actually rat in numbers in where they might get a small gang fight, then its a terrible idea, because its making those 2700 systems even less attractive.

oh and I nullbear just fine, but the thing that makes renting a system valuable (the signatures) are supplied in sufficient quantities for 1 player - ie yes I can make equivalent isk to running sisters here no drama, but I can't recruit anyone without ****ing it up.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#445 - 2014-01-17 02:36:48 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
hmm that hacking game might be an interesting way to make it so anyone can steel from the ess. basically the ess has the standings of the persons corp who lauched it. think of how a wreak works when you kill something is it white or yellow?

based on the standing if they are blue they can access it and if they are nuet or red they have to hack it.

the thing about hacking is you need to fill midslots to be effective and be in a specialized ship.

which would give the owner of the ess time to reship and kill the hacker if he is unescorted.

i think that couppled with mynnna's idea for lp instead of extra isk would make the ess a really fun addition and actually generate some of that mad old school solo pvp i remember back in 2007


from the dev blog thread

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#446 - 2014-01-17 02:53:16 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:


That's good to know. You're a more effective high sec carebear then you are nullbear. If you had a point though, I'd appreciate it if you would spell it out for me.


The point is I don't believe you have any sound basis for estimating the average nullbears income.

The other point is, the stupid thing is only useful when there are so many characters in a system that one of them can pooshbutton anyway becaues there are no anomolies left for it to rat.

Which is great for the 200 systems where that might be true, and not at all great for the 2700 systems where it isn't. If the whole idea was to put more players in the 2700 systems that people flyover with interceptors on their way to patrol the 3 systems in each region that people do actually rat in numbers in where they might get a small gang fight, then its a terrible idea, because its making those 2700 systems even less attractive.

oh and I nullbear just fine, but the thing that makes renting a system valuable (the signatures) are supplied in sufficient quantities for 1 player - ie yes I can make equivalent isk to running sisters here no drama, but I can't recruit anyone without ****ing it up.



Yes I accept that I may be wrong, I did include that disclaimer in the post you responded to. I'm not sure I'd consider you an average nullbear though as you're in the goon renter alliance. Are renters average now? I would consider them the lowest of the low in null, certainly below the average, and I don't say that to be offensive. You pay rent for christ sake. I mean ****, how much of your income are you giving to papa goon? Are you factoring that into your null sec income? I don't see how the recruiting thing is relevant, do you carebear with others in high and share rewards?

I'd be interested to know why you're in publord if it's such a hassle carebearing in null and you could do just as well in high?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#447 - 2014-01-17 03:31:30 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:


Yes I accept that I may be wrong, I did include that disclaimer in the post you responded to. I'm not sure I'd consider you an average nullbear though as you're in the goon renter alliance. Are renters average now? I would consider them the lowest of the low in null, certainly below the average, and I don't say that to be offensive. You pay rent for christ sake. I mean ****, how much of your income are you giving to papa goon? Are you factoring that into your null sec income? I don't see how the recruiting thing is relevant, do you carebear with others in high and share rewards?

I'd be interested to know why you're in publord if it's such a hassle carebearing in null and you could do just as well in high?


I get sufficient ded signatures to keep me occupied, and for me to not care about either the rent or the income from anomolies, and obviously I'd prefer do the maze and reinvig over yet another bloody serpentis phi.

The reason I do anomolies is to keep the entrapment arrays running. However it is not my goal to be a solo pilot forever, and I'd like to recruit this corp up to being mixed bear, respond to local threats and short range roaming group. I don't have a great deal of interest in structure shoots. Which is also why I live in Vale, and I didn't move to branch when branch opened up (because that is in the middle of a blue ocean, where as Vale borders neuts and reds). Syndicate is no place to start, you need to have the group ready before you try there imo (ie its somewhere i might go with 20 people who already have fat wallets and already know how to work together - its a terrible place to be a bear since nothing automatically respawns).

If I had 20 people, we'd literally need to take 20 systems worth of combat sigs to all get my current income level, which is impossible, so the moment I start caring about the anomolies is the moment I take off my solo nullbear hat, and I put on my CEO hat. I would actually have trouble paying the rent merely by divvying up my signature income amongst a half dozen pilots as I would not likely be able to extract sufficient tax from them, so literally this phase of my life is save isk for a future phase where my corp itself might not be profitable.

Not only that, I've observed all of those issues rise in other PBLRD corps, to the extent of even breaking some.

I can't see on fthe face of it, how this module is intended to foster increases in small corp numbers or growth amongst small corps, and hence formation of small gang combat units, in fact it seems to yet again hurt the null systems that might create such.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#448 - 2014-01-17 03:51:03 UTC
Please stop whining about how little you can make in null due to your self imposed limitations because:

1. You have willingly created a system in which you MUST consider people outside your corporation / alliance.
2. You have willingly accepted arbitrary invisible lines which prevent you utilizing the whole of your area.
3. You would rather have a safe, blue universe rather than one in which conflict occurs.

Whining that there is not enough content because of your self imposed limitations and using those self imposed limitations as an excuse to knock the ESS is horse[stuff that comes out of a horses bum and is brown].

Its like someone choosing only to eat blue smarties and whining that there don't put enough 'smarties' in the packet. Well they do they're just not all blue. Okay bad analogy but it still works.

The ESS seems less about nerfing income in null and more about increasing the ability to force interactions between carebears and non-carebears. If you want complete safety go to high... wait, go to wormho... wait.. its EVE, you're mostly extremely safe in null but you shouldn't be totally safe so suck it up bitches.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#449 - 2014-01-17 03:57:02 UTC
I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#450 - 2014-01-17 04:01:04 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:


Yes I accept that I may be wrong, I did include that disclaimer in the post you responded to. I'm not sure I'd consider you an average nullbear though as you're in the goon renter alliance. Are renters average now? I would consider them the lowest of the low in null, certainly below the average, and I don't say that to be offensive. You pay rent for christ sake. I mean ****, how much of your income are you giving to papa goon? Are you factoring that into your null sec income? I don't see how the recruiting thing is relevant, do you carebear with others in high and share rewards?

I'd be interested to know why you're in publord if it's such a hassle carebearing in null and you could do just as well in high?


I get sufficient ded signatures to keep me occupied, and for me to not care about either the rent or the income from anomolies, and obviously I'd prefer do the maze and reinvig over yet another bloody serpentis phi.

The reason I do anomolies is to keep the entrapment arrays running. However it is not my goal to be a solo pilot forever, and I'd like to recruit this corp up to being mixed bear, respond to local threats and short range roaming group. I don't have a great deal of interest in structure shoots. Which is also why I live in Vale, and I didn't move to branch when branch opened up (because that is in the middle of a blue ocean, where as Vale borders neuts and reds). Syndicate is no place to start, you need to have the group ready before you try there imo (ie its somewhere i might go with 20 people who already have fat wallets and already know how to work together - its a terrible place to be a bear since nothing automatically respawns).

If I had 20 people, we'd literally need to take 20 systems worth of combat sigs to all get my current income level, which is impossible, so the moment I start caring about the anomolies is the moment I take off my solo nullbear hat, and I put on my CEO hat. I would actually have trouble paying the rent merely by divvying up my signature income amongst a half dozen pilots as I would not likely be able to extract sufficient tax from them, so literally this phase of my life is save isk for a future phase where my corp itself might not be profitable.

Not only that, I've observed all of those issues rise in other PBLRD corps, to the extent of even breaking some.

I can't see on fthe face of it, how this module is intended to foster increases in small corp numbers or growth amongst small corps, and hence formation of small gang combat units, in fact it seems to yet again hurt the null systems that might create such.


Thanks for that. Sounds to me like the rewards you're reaping (financial or otherwise) are more or less on par with the risk you're taking operating in null as a renter. And yeah, as is the ESS is stupid. I've said that from the beginning.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#451 - 2014-01-17 04:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed.

Odd because as I have demonstrated repeatedly, I operate in all areas of nullsec and make multiple billions a month. The difference between me and the whiners? I ignore truesec and don't have to worry that I've blued half of the entire null sec systems to the point I am unable to utilize systems owned by other people.

Null is not a psuedo-high sec, its a place for both conflict and profit - its not our fault bluing everyone means you can't go out there and TAKE content like I do.

Stop bitching when you're being scared to step on someones toes prevents you making isk...

Edit: One thing I do agree with is blitzing in missions. It should be removed. All NPC's should be required to be killed, there should be no skipping most of the content and only selectively running skippable content to make lots of LP fast. The same shoudl apply to null sec though.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#452 - 2014-01-17 04:24:23 UTC
When my boss come to me and says;

'Hey, what's hapening. Sorry, you are loosing a dollar an hour off your wage ... and yeahhhhh ... since we had to let Bob go, can you go ahead and start filling out the TPS reports.'

Sounds like some one is getting screwed without getting kissed.

In basic principle, the ESS asounds pretty cool ... until you realise that CCP is taking with one hand and give less back with the other.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#453 - 2014-01-17 04:28:10 UTC
Altered Ego wrote:
When my boss come to me and says;

'Hey, what's hapening. Sorry, you are loosing a dollar an hour off your wage ... and yeahhhhh ... since we had to let Bob go, can you go ahead and start filling out the TPS reports.'

Sounds like some one is getting screwed without getting kissed.

In basic principle, the ESS asounds pretty cool ... until you realise that CCP is taking with one hand and give less back with the other.

Pretty sure the ESS adds an extra 5% to total income and afaik there is no requirement to fill out TPS reports and no one at CCP named Bob was recently fired. Unless you mean BoB but I think Goons, not CCP was responsible for their demise.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#454 - 2014-01-17 04:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Altered Ego
CCP is nerfing income, and forcing us to jump through the hoops of a kludgey system in order to recoupe those losses. So that's extra work in addition to the work a ratter would already have to do.

... and even though on paper it's a 5% bonus on income, the way the tokens are payed out by rounding and time lost (to defense, etc), this system is going to be a net loss in isk for the ratter.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#455 - 2014-01-17 05:13:41 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed.

Odd because as I have demonstrated repeatedly, I operate in all areas of nullsec and make multiple billions a month. The difference between me and the whiners? I ignore truesec and don't have to worry that I've blued half of the entire null sec systems to the point I am unable to utilize systems owned by other people.

Null is not a psuedo-high sec, its a place for both conflict and profit - its not our fault bluing everyone means you can't go out there and TAKE content like I do.

Stop bitching when you're being scared to step on someones toes prevents you making isk...

Edit: One thing I do agree with is blitzing in missions. It should be removed. All NPC's should be required to be killed, there should be no skipping most of the content and only selectively running skippable content to make lots of LP fast. The same shoudl apply to null sec though.


No you don't you assert that you winning once at loot tables is evidence of decadent nullsec living. You are a voice of ignorance that tries to loudly shout down people providing you with data. The EVE version of Margaret Thatcher.

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#456 - 2014-01-17 05:34:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
La Nariz wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed.

Odd because as I have demonstrated repeatedly, I operate in all areas of nullsec and make multiple billions a month. The difference between me and the whiners? I ignore truesec and don't have to worry that I've blued half of the entire null sec systems to the point I am unable to utilize systems owned by other people.

Null is not a psuedo-high sec, its a place for both conflict and profit - its not our fault bluing everyone means you can't go out there and TAKE content like I do.

Stop bitching when you're being scared to step on someones toes prevents you making isk...

Edit: One thing I do agree with is blitzing in missions. It should be removed. All NPC's should be required to be killed, there should be no skipping most of the content and only selectively running skippable content to make lots of LP fast. The same shoudl apply to null sec though.


No you don't you assert that you winning once at loot tables is evidence of decadent nullsec living. You are a voice of ignorance that tries to loudly shout down people providing you with data. The EVE version of Margaret Thatcher.


Except that Margaret Thatcher has the laudible attribute of being unable to pollute any reasonable discussion, unlike Infinity.

Edit: removed incorrect implication that I wished Infinity dead.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#457 - 2014-01-17 05:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
La Nariz wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed.

Odd because as I have demonstrated repeatedly, I operate in all areas of nullsec and make multiple billions a month. The difference between me and the whiners? I ignore truesec and don't have to worry that I've blued half of the entire null sec systems to the point I am unable to utilize systems owned by other people.

Null is not a psuedo-high sec, its a place for both conflict and profit - its not our fault bluing everyone means you can't go out there and TAKE content like I do.

Stop bitching when you're being scared to step on someones toes prevents you making isk...

Edit: One thing I do agree with is blitzing in missions. It should be removed. All NPC's should be required to be killed, there should be no skipping most of the content and only selectively running skippable content to make lots of LP fast. The same shoudl apply to null sec though.


No you don't you assert that you winning once at loot tables is evidence of decadent nullsec living. You are a voice of ignorance that tries to loudly shout down people providing you with data. The EVE version of Margaret Thatcher.

Do I need to once again link the 10 screenshots I already linked in the last thread showing multiple billions per null sec trip. Once = 1 just for your information. Since I linked 10 separate shots and can link more if you like that doesn't qualify as once. My 10 accounts are paid for purely with loot from null and I'm not even a null sec member, I'm a solo player.

This is just one of those shots. As you can clearly see, I ran 6 sites. I obtained 6 high end loot items, one was a A-type Invul worth 1.5 billion, others were x-type, b-type and faction BS and cruiser drops. Once no, twice, no, 6 times, yes in 6 sites. That's not counting the likely 30-50 million per site in bounties.

This was my best run, over 5 billion in 4 days out in null.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#458 - 2014-01-17 05:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Genseric Tollaris
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Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#459 - 2014-01-17 06:05:16 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
It's quite clear that there are very mixed opinions on this, and we'll be looking to gather the feedback from this thread and hand it over to game design.

That said, if people are annoyed, it's still not justification for taking a dump all over the forum rules. Make sure that your feedback is presented in a calm and concise manner.

Cheers.

Smile


Implementing the ESS where some folks actually spend their isk on Ships for PVP then relying on a lliance SHip Rep[lacement Fund to replace the stuff they broke. Implementing this ESS will only force some pilots back to empire space. where Incursion running is safer and more isk involved then ratting in havens or Sanctums.

the ESS is not a great idea. if it has a significant impact on my pvp action in nullsec i will consider moving to empire space and carebear it up like a champ.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#460 - 2014-01-17 06:08:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed.

Odd because as I have demonstrated repeatedly, I operate in all areas of nullsec and make multiple billions a month. The difference between me and the whiners? I ignore truesec and don't have to worry that I've blued half of the entire null sec systems to the point I am unable to utilize systems owned by other people.

Null is not a psuedo-high sec, its a place for both conflict and profit - its not our fault bluing everyone means you can't go out there and TAKE content like I do.

Stop bitching when you're being scared to step on someones toes prevents you making isk...

Edit: One thing I do agree with is blitzing in missions. It should be removed. All NPC's should be required to be killed, there should be no skipping most of the content and only selectively running skippable content to make lots of LP fast. The same shoudl apply to null sec though.


No you don't you assert that you winning once at loot tables is evidence of decadent nullsec living. You are a voice of ignorance that tries to loudly shout down people providing you with data. The EVE version of Margaret Thatcher.

Do I need to once again link the 10 screenshots I already linked in the last thread showing multiple billions per null sec trip. Once = 1 just for your information. Since I linked 10 separate shots and can link more if you like that doesn't qualify as once. My 10 accounts are paid for purely with loot from null and I'm not even a null sec member, I'm a solo player.

This is just one of those shots. As you can clearly see, I ran 6 sites. I obtained 6 high end loot items, one was a A-type Invul worth 1.5 billion, others were x-type, b-type and faction BS and cruiser drops. Once no, twice, no, 6 times, yes in 6 sites. That's not counting the likely 30-50 million per site in bounties.

This was my best run, over 5 billion in 4 days out in null.


No what you need to do, is go and rat in nullsec for x hours a day, y days a week, in the same location using the same exact method. Then you need to put it in a spread sheet and give it to us. These little anecdotes and the shouting you love to do mean nothing.

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