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TharOkha
0asis Group
#381 - 2014-01-16 21:26:25 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into the ESS.


WOW. This is really stupid. I'm telling this as i hisec dweller. You have my support against this case.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#382 - 2014-01-16 21:28:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


Optics.

Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do.

I think it's actually a very common attitude displayed by the most frequent null sec posters. For whatever reasons they tend to be very hostile, demeaning, and with overzealous convictions on how things should be done.

I've already seen plenty of threads recently from null sec players threatening CCP with 'punishing' hi sec players with suicide gankings and general harassment over the introduction of the ESS, as if this was some how hi sec players' idea. The misguided rage and contempt is simply incomprehensible.


Yeah, we hate the nullsec players because they're like, mean and stuff.

Not that you guys aren't literally doing the same thing right now towards a different group, among one another. On reddit they call it a circlejerk.

This is not an excuse. I know there are those from the other side also spewing **** like this. But it isn't an excuse for you to do it. I think the dumbest module CCP has come up with in years is this ESS. And frankly, I don't even wish it on null sec players. But to threaten CCP to bully players because you don't like something is quite simply deplorable.

And I really can't say that everyone in null sec is like this, because I'm willing to bet the majority aren't. But I stand by my assertion that, usually the most outspoken and vocal null sec posters do tend to be quite antagonistic and contemptuous toward players whose play styles they disagree with.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#383 - 2014-01-16 21:28:53 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
WOW. This is really stupid. I'm telling this as i hisec dweller. You have my support against this case.


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Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#384 - 2014-01-16 21:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Galadriel Vasquez
LOL

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#385 - 2014-01-16 21:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:
I think the dumbest module CCP has come up with in years is this ESS. And frankly, I don't even wish it on null sec players. But to threaten CCP to bully players because you don't like something is quite simply deplorable.


Well, first of all, let me take exception to your use of the term "bully". If they're undocked, they consent to PvP, and so forth.

And secondly, why is it a problem? If you agree that it sucks, clearly going on a rampage is going to get their attention. Especially since CCP has a track record of ignoring feedback short of a rampage.

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This is not an excuse. I know there are those from the other side also spewing **** like this. But it isn't an excuse for you to do it.


Why not? That's pretty much what humans do, get in a circle and hate on people who aren't part of the group. Like I said, you've been doing it plenty, and you've also been wagging at your finger at nullsec because they do it. It's a big giant circlejerk, you lot would just like to think you're above it.

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And I really can't say that everyone in null sec is like this, because I'm willing to bet the majority aren't. But I stand by my assertion that, usually the most outspoken and vocal null sec posters do tend to be quite antagonistic and contemptuous toward players whose play styles they disagree with.


Again, you can take out "nullsec" and replace it with "humans" or "people" and that's still pretty much true. It's not like your side doesn't engage in much the same behavior. The difference is, your hating seems to get developer results (as evidenced by the ESS module's very existence), whereas nullsec doesn't. If anyone should be complaining, it's them.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#386 - 2014-01-16 21:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
TharOkha wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is accessible by everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into into a bank account attached to that system.

Edit: ISK placement corrected, thanks to Pinky Hops


WOW. This is really stupid. I'm telling this as i hisec dweller. You have my support against this case.
Indeed. I'm a low sec dweller and I think it sucks.

I did get the ISK placement wrong, it seems it goes into some magical system bank. I have corrected my post.

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Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#387 - 2014-01-16 21:46:35 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Title edited for clarity - CCP Falcon

You know there's a pretty huge issue when

Goonswarm Federation
Mordus Angels
Fatal Ascension
Razor Alliance
Li3 Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Space Monkey's Alliance
Pandemic Legion
Black Legion
Nulli Secunda
Against All Authorities
Darkness of Despair
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
The Initiative.
Brothers of Tangra
Fidelas Constans
Gentleman's Agreement
Solar Fleet
Circle of Two
The Kadeshi
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Spaceship Samurai
Executive Outcomes


all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid.

Somebody at CCP who isn't SoniClover needs to address this issue. The ESS sucks. If you put it into the game, people are going to riot and then leave. It's a trainwreck of bad ideas and nobody wants it for what it is, which is a giant kick in the gonads to anybody who already has to endure the misery of ratting in nullsec.

It doesn't work. There are so many wrong things with the mechanics it's like somebody looked at the list of "Things That Were Taken Out Of Eve Or Never Added In The First Place Because They Suck(ed)" and used that as a template to design the ESS. CCP SoniClover got his pompous ass handed to him by Weaselior who came in with officially published statements by other CCP employees showing that the stated reason for the ESS to exist was entirely false.Seriously. Page 21. It's all right there.


And all that we, the players of this game, have to show for our originally respectful criticism, is CCP SoniClover creating a PR disaster by pissing us off and assuming we're stupid.


Somebody else from CCP needs to step up and start dealing with this. And good luck if you go the "well let's just censor everything like we usually do" route.

Hmm goons, BoT, Northen Coalition, all the big nullsec power blocs hate it. It must be good then. And if its not, put it in anyway.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#388 - 2014-01-16 21:47:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Again, you can take out "nullsec" and replace it with "humans" or "people" and that's still pretty much true. It's not like your side doesn't engage in much the same behavior. The difference is, your hating seems to get developer results (as evidenced by the ESS module's very existence), whereas nullsec doesn't. If anyone should be complaining, it's them.

Acting like a jerk and then attributing it as acceptable because it's "human behavior" is a really poor excuse. In any case, it's really pointless having this discussion with you. I don't think you can process it and it will be a waste of both, your time and my time.

But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind.

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Krexzar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#389 - 2014-01-16 21:48:03 UTC
Since CCP Falcon locked my thread without bothering to read it because it had ESS in the subject line. I will post this here even though Im not directing this idea towards the ESS. These ideas came from the fact CCP is trying to cut down the Faucets in the game. So this may get removed from this thread because it doesnt directly apply to the ESS. Good luck words, hope you make it.

With the ESS controversy at hand, I got to thinking.....where does the majority of npc bounties come from, null sec or high sec? If anyone can answer this I would be grateful. On to my train of thought.

If there is too much isk coming into the game from bounties then nerfing null sec alone should not be the answer. I feel they should nerf all npc bountys by the same amount so everyone makes less isk. If the majority of npc bounty does come from high sec, then they should nerf the incursions payouts and the mission npcs bounty by 5-10% but boost the lp output by 10-20%, however would make it close to the bounty nerf.

Also would be nice if they did something like increase asteroid mining output or reduce build minerals for ships, i liked it better when a typhoon was below 100mill isk : ) but that might be asking a bit too much?

Also another idea i had is..as much as it would be cool, this game is very far away (time and development wise) from having a completely player driven market, there is items out their that serve absolutely no purpose like tiers effects. What I propose is an isk faucet with PLEX. Concord stations or whoever could sell and buy them. So Player A needs a plex, he pays 600 mill for said plex but Player B buys plex with RL money and sells to Concord or whoever for 550 mill. Just code them to where they never show up in game, they show up in your redeem items at log in and you either active it there or take your 550 mill. So if you buy one in game and dont use it, you just crapped yourself out of 50 mill..........And this probably isnt the best way to implement this idea, i just thought of it while i was type the first 3 paragraphs : ) But no matter what CCP if you need more isk faucets, nerfing income to one area of the game where players have the most risk, is not the answer. Either nerf everyone or do something like above to create your isk sinks.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#390 - 2014-01-16 21:49:50 UTC
Stuff about acting like a jerk, then proceeds to act like...... Funny that.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#391 - 2014-01-16 21:51:44 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind.


I wish stuff that existed in my mind was real...

I'd have a rocket car!
I'd be better looking!
I'd be rich!
My rocket car would have missile launchers! (Um because CALDARI)
And lastly - I would only eat BREAKFAST FOOD!!!


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Mag's
Azn Empire
#392 - 2014-01-16 21:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Kimmi Chan wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind.


I wish stuff that existed in my mind was real...

I'd have a rocket car!
I'd be better looking!
I'd be rich!
My rocket car would have missile launchers! (Um because CALDARI)
And lastly - I would only eat BREAKFAST FOOD!!!


"And in the mornin', I'm making waffles..."

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#393 - 2014-01-16 22:10:19 UTC
What I really want to know is how OP managed to say "*******" without the censor.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#394 - 2014-01-16 22:10:41 UTC
So this ESS has only stirred conflict between the player base and CCP. I don't think that's the kind of conflict driver that we were looking fore.

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Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#395 - 2014-01-16 22:15:01 UTC
ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much....
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#396 - 2014-01-16 22:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Mister Simms wrote:
ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much....


Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#397 - 2014-01-16 22:25:25 UTC
Mister Simms wrote:
ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much....

The proper response to you and everyone who agrees with you is something that would probably get me banned from these forums forever.
So I'll just leave you to imagine what that response might be.

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psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#398 - 2014-01-16 22:39:57 UTC
+1 for ess

i can tast the nullbare tears already cant wait to wind up some nullbeare when my inty alt loots some ratting isk from under they noise lol

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#399 - 2014-01-16 22:40:24 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Mister Simms wrote:
ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much....


Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion.


I'm a highsec dweller.

And agree that stupid **** is stupid.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#400 - 2014-01-16 22:41:20 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
+1 for ess

i can tast the nullbare tears already cant wait to wind up some nullbeare when my inty alt loots some ratting isk from under they noise lol

Then you'll be wasting your time, because nobody with half a brain will be putting these up. Ratters will dock when you enter system to put one up, and as soon as you leave they'll just destroy it. You'll never get the chance to steal anything.

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