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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#361 - 2014-01-16 20:33:41 UTC
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CCP has no idea about where the most ISK is dropped since there is no way they could ever run any sort of statistical metrics on their own database!


They were, from what I gather, discussing actual liquid isk.

Not income. I wager they would really rather not admit that median income is higher for L4s than almost anything else but Incursions.

Scamming, of course, still being the best source of income available.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#362 - 2014-01-16 20:40:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
You need to buy ships for them to be replaced in the 1st place. Those ships need modules. Combat doctrines change so you ned to refit (inclduing rigs). You need isk to do other things (like say you want to join RVB, you don't need a lot of isk but you need some to buy those frigs and cruisers). Say you want to start seeding a null market, that takes isk. Or you want to go into a wormhole and screw around, need isk for that etc.

As for plex, some of us have lots of free time but think the idea of working overtime to play a video gameis stupid. My IRL job requires me to go into a freaking ghetto in a uniform (ie target on my back), screw that, ima stay home , drink beer naked earn isk and plex.


if you ever came into my ghetto, I would not shoot you. Because the power of love > the love of power. Also I'm a carebear.

Jenn aSide wrote:
I don't know why people have this idea that null sec players JUST blob each other and do nothing else. We do like to play EVE too.


Optics.

Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do.

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Silent Rambo
Orion Positronics
#363 - 2014-01-16 20:43:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
CCP has no idea about where the most ISK is dropped since there is no way they could ever run any sort of statistical metrics on their own database!


They were, from what I gather, discussing actual liquid isk.

Not income. I wager they would really rather not admit that median income is higher for L4s than almost anything else but Incursions.

Scamming, of course, still being the best source of income available.


And you base these thoughts on what exactly? All I see are opinion based assumptions, and potential bias.

You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#364 - 2014-01-16 20:51:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


That's a great question Baltec! One that deserves an answer. So as a current resident of null sec why do you stay there given it's the worst option?


I don't. I do all of my isk earning in high sec and just travel back for the fights. I don't live in null.


So this ESS horseshit would not really affect you at all?

I get that that isn't the point. You want to make your ISK in Null.

Someone in another thread, I think the threadnaught about nerfing HS, mentioned that in calculating risk v reward for NS, CCP could only account for risk from NPC entities. PC entities and the risk presented by them would be too much of an unknown and incalculable variable in any estimation of reward. I thought that was a really good point.

Like a HS miner that mines without incident for days or weeks or months the reward is calculated by the risk presented by NPCs in the system but not by gankers or can flippers. Same thing in Null, the rewards are only calculated by the rats and other NPCs in the system and not by the cloaked cyno roaming about.

This is a lot of words and kind of rambling but I'm hoping everyone understands what I'm thinking better than I can express it in words.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#365 - 2014-01-16 20:53:00 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
LOL
"Null not worth it anymore"
"But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! "
"Forced into highsec"
Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Smile



Like I said, what happened to the Goonswarm we loved to hate?

Though I asked Joepopo once why goons have apparently sold out to carebearing, and he said "technetium".

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#366 - 2014-01-16 20:54:36 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


That's a great question Baltec! One that deserves an answer. So as a current resident of null sec why do you stay there given it's the worst option?


I don't. I do all of my isk earning in high sec and just travel back for the fights. I don't live in null.


So this ESS horseshit would not really affect you at all?

I get that that isn't the point. You want to make your ISK in Null.

Someone in another thread, I think the threadnaught about nerfing HS, mentioned that in calculating risk v reward for NS, CCP could only account for risk from NPC entities. PC entities and the risk presented by them would be too much of an unknown and incalculable variable in any estimation of reward. I thought that was a really good point.

Like a HS miner that mines without incident for days or weeks or months the reward is calculated by the risk presented by NPCs in the system but not by gankers or can flippers. Same thing in Null, the rewards are only calculated by the rats and other NPCs in the system and not by the cloaked cyno roaming about.

This is a lot of words and kind of rambling but I'm hoping everyone understands what I'm thinking better than I can express it in words.
Yea we see it. Cool

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Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#367 - 2014-01-16 20:55:00 UTC
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#368 - 2014-01-16 21:00:09 UTC
This module is the most ******** mechanic brought to TQ since the bastard that was "WiS" was brought to the community.......
Mag's
Azn Empire
#369 - 2014-01-16 21:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is accessible by everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into into a bank account attached to that system.

Edit: ISK placement corrected, thanks to Pinky Hops

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#370 - 2014-01-16 21:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Galadriel Vasquez
Mag's wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into the ESS.


That is the most stupidest idea ever made. ever.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#371 - 2014-01-16 21:06:53 UTC
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...

CCP's nerfing ratting income by 5% in null. They've also introduced (or are in the process of introducing) a structure that further reduces a system's income by 15%, but that produces a pot worth approximately 25% of additional ratting income, for a net 105% income. But anyone can pretty much loot it, not to mention the 5% reward you'd gain doesn't seem enough to take the risk for the 20% you'd lose if the pot was "misappropriated". In my opinion, it really does border useless.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#372 - 2014-01-16 21:07:59 UTC
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into the ESS.


That is the most stupidest idea ever made. ever.


I really hate to disagree with you (that's a lie, I live to disagree), but I must. The plastic coffee stirrer is the stupidest idea ever. "Um, we have ******* spoons already!!"

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#373 - 2014-01-16 21:10:18 UTC
Hmmm I cannot believe someone in CCP HQ thought this up and then - and here's the clincher -

THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#374 - 2014-01-16 21:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Hmmm I cannot believe someone in CCP HQ thought this up and then - and here's the clincher -

THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
So they created the 5% bounty nerf, in order to justify the unit use. Only, who in their right mind would risk 20% to gain that poultry 5%?

But hey, it will create conflict.........Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#375 - 2014-01-16 21:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Kimmi Chan wrote:


Optics.

Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do.

I think it's actually a very common attitude displayed by the most frequent and vocal null sec posters. For whatever reasons they tend to be very hostile, demeaning, and with overzealous convictions on how things should be done.

I've already seen plenty of threads recently from very vocal null sec players threatening CCP with 'punishing' hi sec players with suicide gankings and general harassment over the introduction of the ESS, as if this was some how hi sec players' idea. The misguided rage and contempt is simply incomprehensible.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#376 - 2014-01-16 21:17:05 UTC
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Hmmm I cannot believe someone in CCP HQ thought this up and then - and here's the clincher -

THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.


I think this is typical of every corporation.

Back in the day there was one guy. We'll call him Steve.

Steve was a hard worker but had a tendency to listen to various business proposals and say emphatically, "That is the dumbest ******* idea I've ever heard".

Steve has since been fired/sacked which is too bad because he had a wife and three adorable children and now companies make stupid, poorly designed, and unnecessary crap.

Every company NEEDS a Steve. Rehire Steve!

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#377 - 2014-01-16 21:17:21 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into the ESS.


Close.

The money doesn't get placed into the ESS. It gets placed into a bank account attached to that system. If the ESS is destroyed, the money still exists in the bank account.

Redeploying allows you to re-access the bank account.

It's a really really weird/bad thing. It has a lot of strange baggage attached to it.
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#378 - 2014-01-16 21:19:15 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into the ESS.


Close.

The money doesn't get placed into the ESS. It gets placed into a bank account attached to that system. If the ESS is destroyed, the money still exists in the bank account.

Redeploying allows you to re-access the bank account.

It's a really really weird/bad thing. It has a lot of strange baggage attached to it.


Is it cast in stone going ahead? Or is it being mooted?

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#379 - 2014-01-16 21:20:21 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


Optics.

Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do.

I think it's actually a very common attitude displayed by the most frequent null sec posters. For whatever reasons they tend to be very hostile, demeaning, and with overzealous convictions on how things should be done.

I've already seen plenty of threads recently from null sec players threatening CCP with 'punishing' hi sec players with suicide gankings and general harassment over the introduction of the ESS, as if this was some how hi sec players' idea. The misguided rage and contempt is simply incomprehensible.


Yeah, we hate the nullsec players because they're like, mean and stuff.

Not that you guys aren't literally doing the same thing right now towards a different group, among one another. On reddit they call it a circlejerk.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#380 - 2014-01-16 21:22:44 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:
Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is?

Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching?

Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo?

I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content?

Confused. (It doesn't take much)...
Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current.

Don't use one, you get 95%.

If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed.
It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone.
Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into the ESS.


Close.

The money doesn't get placed into the ESS. It gets placed into a bank account attached to that system. If the ESS is destroyed, the money still exists in the bank account.

Redeploying allows you to re-access the bank account.

It's a really really weird/bad thing. It has a lot of strange baggage attached to it.
Ooh my bad, I missed that. It's actually worse than I thought. LolLol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.