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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#301 - 2014-01-16 17:24:52 UTC
I just read about this and got caught up but...

This has to be one of the worst ideas I've seen come up ever. How the hell did this even get implemented? I've seen better bad ideas in the features discussion. Take all? Seriously?

I'm usually a pretty balanced guy when it comes to ideas but this is just horrible.

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#302 - 2014-01-16 17:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
baltec1 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Well, it aint unanimous either


The only people defending this are the people who do not live in null.

even ppl who do not live in null are against it, because they have a brain and at least a basic understanding on how it works "down there"......

this put things in perspective when you know that most of non null ppl usually ask for "NERF NULL" / "death to supers" / "death to goons" etc.... (well, the last 2 , i agree with........Big smile)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#303 - 2014-01-16 17:28:35 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So if this is simply a way to nerf null income again I have to ask why they feel null needs another nerf given that it already lags behind high sec income.

What incentive exactly is there to make your isk in null these days?

The incredible drops, the almost complete safety, the exclusive benefits null sec gets over high sec?

The ESS sounds pretty damn fantastic. Why - because it means people using it have to decide if a) a neut enters system and they dock up like nullbears b) a nuetral enters system and they don't dock up like nullbears.

Besides there is an easy and totally safe solution to using it if you wanna be massive cretins...


well, it has been said earlier, but whether they dock up or not, they can't do anything to prevent, let's say, a stiletto from robbing the thing?

it has a beacon, stiletto warp to it upon entering and trigger the payout, warp to a safe he made at 1000 Km just before landing on said ess to wait for timer then go bak in, loot and leave.

in the mean time, there is nothing the PVE fleet can do, by the time they land on ESS grid, the stiletto is already waiting on his safe, so unless they rat in smartbombing or instalock ships, they won't catch it when he loots......

scratch reshipping, it's even longer.

ho, and i forgot this: the simple fact of triggering the payement reset the bonus thingy, so even if he doesn't loot, he already screwed the pve ppl, even if he didn't made isk from it.....

Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#304 - 2014-01-16 17:29:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Well, it aint unanimous either


The only people defending this are the people who do not live in null.



Im not for it, and I spend most of my time in Null

I just dont see the point in complaining about something useless with the vitriol of the OP

What is the purpose of that?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#305 - 2014-01-16 17:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?
Guess what happens when you take stuff out periodically?

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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#306 - 2014-01-16 17:33:03 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So if this is simply a way to nerf null income again I have to ask why they feel null needs another nerf given that it already lags behind high sec income.

What incentive exactly is there to make your isk in null these days?

The incredible drops, the almost complete safety, the exclusive benefits null sec gets over high sec?

The ESS sounds pretty damn fantastic. Why - because it means people using it have to decide if a) a neut enters system and they dock up like nullbears b) a nuetral enters system and they don't dock up like nullbears.

Besides there is an easy and totally safe solution to using it if you wanna be massive cretins...


well, it has been said earlier, but whether they dock up or not, they can't do anything to prevent, let's say, a stiletto from robbing the thing?

it has a beacon, stiletto warp to it upon entering and trigger the payout, warp to a safe he made at 1000 Km just before landing on said ess to wait for timer then go bak in, loot and leave.

in the mean time, there is nothing the PVE fleet can do, by the time they land on ESS grid, the stiletto is already waiting on his safe, so unless they rat in smartbombing or instalock ships, they won't catch it when he loots......

scratch reshipping, it's even longer.

ho, and i forgot this: the simple fact of triggering the payement reset the bonus thingy, so even if he doesn't loot, he already screwed the pve ppl, even if he didn't made isk from it.....

Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?

because of the way it works, and the time it take to increase the "bonus index", coupled to the fact that the BEST pve system can only hold +-5 ratters, it would take probably days to get the max index (or even just get the same as now).

and i said inty, it also works with nullified cloacky T3, and he'll either laught at the rock SB, or just kill it
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#307 - 2014-01-16 17:33:37 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
It's quite clear that there are very mixed opinions on this, and we'll be looking to gather the feedback from this thread and hand it over to game design.

That said, if people are annoyed, it's still not justification for taking a dump all over the forum rules. Make sure that your feedback is presented in a calm and concise manner.

Cheers.

Smile


Literally, CCP Falcon is some kind of a superhero. Violently mauling an idea on the forums is like lighting the bat-signal, he swoops in and administers the PR/management-approved words for "This is ******* terrible, seriously who green-lit this?!".

We're hoping, however, that the developer responsible will not share fate with the one responsible for boot.ini. After all, we remember how that was taken care of ;)

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#308 - 2014-01-16 17:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
seth Hendar wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
seth Hendar wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So if this is simply a way to nerf null income again I have to ask why they feel null needs another nerf given that it already lags behind high sec income.

What incentive exactly is there to make your isk in null these days?

The incredible drops, the almost complete safety, the exclusive benefits null sec gets over high sec?

The ESS sounds pretty damn fantastic. Why - because it means people using it have to decide if a) a neut enters system and they dock up like nullbears b) a nuetral enters system and they don't dock up like nullbears.

Besides there is an easy and totally safe solution to using it if you wanna be massive cretins...


well, it has been said earlier, but whether they dock up or not, they can't do anything to prevent, let's say, a stiletto from robbing the thing?

it has a beacon, stiletto warp to it upon entering and trigger the payout, warp to a safe he made at 1000 Km just before landing on said ess to wait for timer then go bak in, loot and leave.

in the mean time, there is nothing the PVE fleet can do, by the time they land on ESS grid, the stiletto is already waiting on his safe, so unless they rat in smartbombing or instalock ships, they won't catch it when he loots......

scratch reshipping, it's even longer.

ho, and i forgot this: the simple fact of triggering the payement reset the bonus thingy, so even if he doesn't loot, he already screwed the pve ppl, even if he didn't made isk from it.....

Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?

because of the way it works, and the time it take to increase the "bonus index", coupled to the fact that the BEST pve system can only hold +-5 ratters, it would take probably days to get the max index (or even just get the same as now).

and i said inty, it also works with nullified cloacky T3, and he'll either laught at the rock SB, or just kill it

Will he laugh when you deploy it 100km from an armed POS? Also 8 large smarties will kill a intie before he can sit there accessing the structure over 40 seconds lol and a cloaky T3 woudl be moronic to sit in a system of hostiles for 40 sec imo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#309 - 2014-01-16 17:38:49 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Will he laugh when you deploy it 100km from an armed POS?
If he manages to do that, then CCP will want to find out how.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#310 - 2014-01-16 17:42:05 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Will he laugh when you deploy it 100km from an armed POS?
If he manages to do that, then CCP will want to find out how.


"An ESS cannot be deployed close to stations, stargates or starbases. The minimum range from these structures is several 100 kilometers."

Several hundred kilometres is still in range of POS guns. Alt gunner in a pos gun can shoot quite a bit further than maximum activation range.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#311 - 2014-01-16 17:42:06 UTC
A couple of Fanfests (2012) ago Jon Lander talked about how this game is about SPACESHIPS and that anything not focused on SPACESHIPS causes the playerbase to erupt in anger and that CCP was going to focus on SPACESHIPS because players like SPACESHIPS and SPACESHIPS is serious business.

Dear CCP,

DEPLOYABLE STRUCTURES != SPACESHIPS.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#312 - 2014-01-16 17:43:55 UTC
I'm a little torn about people who gleefully visit involuntary and unwanted results on other players are suddenly hurt over something they don't like being foisted on them.

I don't recall this much screaming over the NPC corp taxes, which are higher.


I don' know much about the ESS but I'm sure you can destroy them with Rapid Light Missile Launchers... oh wait

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#313 - 2014-01-16 17:44:10 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Will he laugh when you deploy it 100km from an armed POS?
If he manages to do that, then CCP will want to find out how.


"An ESS cannot be deployed close to stations, stargates or starbases. The minimum range from these structures is several 100 kilometers."

Several hundred kilometres is still in range of POS guns. Alt gunner in a pos gun can shoot quite a bit further than maximum activation range.
Highlighted the important part.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#314 - 2014-01-16 17:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?


Why would you use an alt to babysit this thing when it could be earning you a lot more isk ratting than the EES will ever generate?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2014-01-16 17:47:01 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm a little torn about people who gleefully visit involuntary and unwanted results on other players are suddenly hurt over something they don't like being foisted on them.

I don't recall this much screaming over the NPC corp taxes, which are higher.


I don' know much about the ESS but I'm sure you can destroy them with Rapid Light Missile Launchers... oh wait


You could always talk to your beloved extended family at length about your gun collection.

The resistance is because its a bad idea without any sort of cogent reasoning behind it.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#316 - 2014-01-16 17:49:38 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Will he laugh when you deploy it 100km from an armed POS?
If he manages to do that, then CCP will want to find out how.


"An ESS cannot be deployed close to stations, stargates or starbases. The minimum range from these structures is several 100 kilometers."

Several hundred kilometres is still in range of POS guns. Alt gunner in a pos gun can shoot quite a bit further than maximum activation range.
Highlighted the important part.

I think you guys are whining over these things when you should be gleefully thinking up ways to exploit them. They're going to make wonderful traps.

1 Gate ------ (bubble)(Armed POS)--------(ESS)
2 (Armed POS with Gunner)----------250km-----(ESS still in range of pos gunner just not auto activation)
3 ------------------(BubbleESS Bubble)--------------Warp in Insta Lock Cane

So many fun way to kill people already

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#317 - 2014-01-16 17:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?


Why would you use an alt to babysit this thing when it could be earning you a lot more isk ratting than the EES will ever generate?

Cause its fun Killing people? Also no need to babysit, it tells you when they're looting it

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#318 - 2014-01-16 17:52:14 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Will he laugh when you deploy it 100km from an armed POS?
If he manages to do that, then CCP will want to find out how.


"An ESS cannot be deployed close to stations, stargates or starbases. The minimum range from these structures is several 100 kilometers."

Several hundred kilometres is still in range of POS guns. Alt gunner in a pos gun can shoot quite a bit further than maximum activation range.
Highlighted the important part.

I think you guys are whining over these things when you should be gleefully thinking up ways to exploit them. They're going to make wonderful traps.

1 Gate ------ (bubble)(Armed POS)--------(ESS)
2 (Armed POS with Gunner)----------250km-----(ESS still in range of pos gunner just not auto activation)
3 ------------------(BubbleESS Bubble)--------------Warp in Insta Lock Cane

So many fun way to kill people already
So you admit you were wrong? OK thanks, moving on.

P.S. Several is more than 2 or 3. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#319 - 2014-01-16 18:00:49 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Will he laugh when you deploy it 100km from an armed POS? Also 8 large smarties will kill a intie before he can sit there accessing the structure over 40 seconds lol and a cloaky T3 woudl be moronic to sit in a system of hostiles for 40 sec imo.

read my post again, you don't need to sit on the module, you can w/out and get back in.

plus, the bonus is reset the second yo initiate the thing, so even if you don't loot, you still screw the guys

dor the pos you are not supposed to be able to have it on the same grid, so i bet CCP would qualify it as exploit
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#320 - 2014-01-16 18:01:07 UTC
Mag's wrote:
So you admit you were wrong? OK thanks, moving on.

P.S. Several is more than 2 or 3. Blink

Its irrelevent. Many POS guns can shoot out to 300-500km. If you really care that much about 5% you can stick an alt in your POS and blap them.

Also, given the ESS has a bubble effect you can create some nice log on traps. Stop whining and start thinking.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)