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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#241 - 2014-01-16 14:32:03 UTC
I live in null-sec and I get a large portion of my income from there. I do rat from time to time but not enough where a 5% reduction will cause me problems.

I do like it because it also effects all the renters which effects the renter empires. Renters should step back and think about what their greed is feeding.

When you rent from cfc you support hulhagedon ice interdiction, tech price fixing and host of other anti-game/player programs the cfc throws out there......all designed to ruin your game.

Think about it.
Mr Blah Blahson
Doomheim
#242 - 2014-01-16 14:35:02 UTC
I almost want to vote +1 for ESS just because the communication style of the OP is kind of annoying. Can't you present your idea properly, and without the attitude?

Look, I get really pissed at CCP too. We all do. Doesn't mean we present our concerns like rowdy 16 year olds. Calm the hell down, sheesh.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#243 - 2014-01-16 14:35:23 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp.

including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average.
they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though.


Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken.
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#244 - 2014-01-16 14:35:32 UTC
it will only be useful if we can see on the star map which systems have an ess deployed in it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#245 - 2014-01-16 14:35:58 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I live in null-sec and I get a large portion of my income from there. I do rat from time to time but not enough where a 5% reduction will cause me problems.

I do like it because it also effects all the renters which effects the renter empires. Renters should step back and think about what their greed is feeding.

When you rent from cfc you support hulhagedon ice interdiction, tech price fixing and host of other anti-game/player programs the cfc throws out there......all designed to ruin your game.

Think about it.

Ok. When you think about it, it has nothing to do with there being any reason or rationale behind a flat 5% income nerf to nullsec rank and file. They're inventing a problem so they can propose a (horribly designed and deeply flawed) solution, and if they have to manufacture a huge artificial problem to give their pet solution any reason to exist, it means that it has no reason to exist to begin with.
Dave Stark
#246 - 2014-01-16 14:37:25 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp.

including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average.
they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though.


Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken.


hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#247 - 2014-01-16 14:40:03 UTC
Oh good God. When I get a headache trying to grasp just exactly what a new piece of equipment being introduced to the game does exactly, despite my 5 years of knowledge in the game..............this is just sad.


What an unnecessary confusing wad of nonsense. That Dev Blog about it is the most pathetic Dev Blog ever written. Period.

Scrap this idea now.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mr Pragmatic
#248 - 2014-01-16 14:42:18 UTC
I like this idea. Long live the ESS.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#249 - 2014-01-16 14:47:40 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp.

including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average.
they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though.


Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken.


hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days.


Well, high sec has wardecs, ganking, trading, duels, ways to make good isk in relative saftey, and it's right next to low sec, all the things that I enjoy. Now I'm thinking of moving back. Damn, maybe you guys have a point.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#250 - 2014-01-16 14:53:02 UTC
Worst Idea ever. I was looking for the name of the Dev and now I have it CCPSoniclover you need to be re-trained. I have shared my opinion on coms and POD cast all that is wrong with this peice of ****, waste of dev time ESS crap.
Anslo
Scope Works
#251 - 2014-01-16 14:53:03 UTC
Funding things is about to get a lot easier. +1 for the ESS.

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Syna Anima
SYNDAX CORPORATION
#252 - 2014-01-16 14:58:00 UTC
You may add Providence to that list. Such a bad feature/deployable. CCP should get out of their cave and play their own game.

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Notorious Fellon
#253 - 2014-01-16 15:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Notorious Fellon
Electrique Wizard wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
I fail to see how the ESS adds "fun". Sure, one could argue that *maybe* it might add opportunity for conflict.

The mechanics seem very bizarre to me. All that just for a 5% loss/gain? No one will use the dumb thing.


If you dont deploy it in your carebearing system I will. I'll drain your bounties and your tears all with one anchorable structure.



I get that idea, but I guess from my vantage point I would not consider said structure worth the space in my cargo hold. Nor would it be worth risking its cost. For it to collect enough ISK, it would need to sit unmolested for a period of time while the ratters kept on ratting. When one appears in a system with ratters, they will stop. Sure, some may be ignorant enough to keep going for a few hours. I don't think that many will keep working rats just to give you 20% while you hang out in system. If you leave system, they will loot and shoot the ESS.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2014-01-16 15:02:56 UTC
.... So.... i like it.... i dont live in null for the money, and if it drives a bit more pew pew... all the better.

No Worries
Dave Stark
#255 - 2014-01-16 15:06:05 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp.

including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average.
they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though.


Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken.


hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days.


Well, high sec has wardecs, ganking, trading, duels, ways to make good isk in relative saftey, and it's right next to low sec, all the things that I enjoy. Now I'm thinking of moving back. Damn, maybe you guys have a point.


i quite frankly would rather you all buggered off and stayed in null, less competition for fleet spots in high sec incursions. *shrug* but, that doesn't stop the ESS being terrible and the 5% bounty nerf being so far unjustified.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#256 - 2014-01-16 15:07:47 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
.... So.... i like it.... i dont live in null for the money, and if it drives a bit more pew pew... all the better.

That's just it: it won't. If anything, it'll just drive the pew-pew away since there's even less reason to go after people in the same system.
Niec Mogul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#257 - 2014-01-16 15:08:45 UTC
Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:

Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:

* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System
* 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker


Uh-oh!! Hmm, he could go ratting anyways, but he's losing 20% of the bounties to someone else. He could warp on over to that ESS and empty it, or blow it up...but...that pesky scan blocker. There could be a pile of baddies in there! Oh no!

What to do, what to do. Call in 100 buddies? Send a cloaky scout? **** pants and dock up? Kiss 20% of the bounties goodbye? Hmm, lots of options.

Should be fun to watch. This thread is already pretty entertaining!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#258 - 2014-01-16 15:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Niec Mogul wrote:
Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:

Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:

* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System
* 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker
Are there people in local?

…fixed, and like now, that's really all that matters. In fact, he doesn't even undock to spot the ESS or MSB to begin with. When the system is clear, the ESS gets cleared out as well. Until then, no-one rats anyway so no bounties are being lost (or gained, depending on your perspective). All that's left is a constant ratting at a new, reduced bounty level.

Things being the way they've always been hardly counts as “making them interesting”.
MasterAsher
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#259 - 2014-01-16 15:12:17 UTC
Niec Mogul wrote:
Here's what will make this thing actually interesting:

Dude undocks to rat somewhere in null, but...what's this? An ESS is deployed? It's not his! He looks at the overview and sees:

* 1.14 AU - Encounter Surveillance System
* 1.14 AU - Mobile Scan Blocker


Uh-oh!! Hmm, he could go ratting anyways, but he's losing 20% of the bounties to someone else. He could warp on over to that ESS and empty it, or blow it up...but...that pesky scan blocker. There could be a pile of baddies in there! Oh no!

What to do, what to do. Call in 100 buddies? Send a cloaky scout? **** pants and dock up? Kiss 20% of the bounties goodbye? Hmm, lots of options.

Should be fun to watch. This thread is already pretty entertaining!


Scan blocker doesnt work around the ess...

Also local....if there is a non blue who the hell will rat?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#260 - 2014-01-16 15:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I live in null-sec and I get a large portion of my income from there. I do rat from time to time but not enough where a 5% reduction will cause me problems.

I do like it because it also effects all the renters which effects the renter empires. Renters should step back and think about what their greed is feeding.

When you rent from cfc you support hulhagedon ice interdiction, tech price fixing and host of other anti-game/player programs the cfc throws out there......all designed to ruin your game.

Think about it.


During the original gallente ice interdiction, I sold them over 500 brutixes, around 300 of which were built by my alt from minerals sold in dodixie.

Think about that*.


*hint : at the time a brutix contained ~20m of minerals.