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Doomheim
#221 - 2014-01-16 13:47:15 UTC
I've been away for a couple of weeks and i have no idea what is this ESS thing. A new deployable for what? I don't care anyway but i liked the tears. Thank you all.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#222 - 2014-01-16 13:52:55 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
I've been away for a couple of weeks and i have no idea what is this ESS thing. A new deployable for what? I don't care anyway but i liked the tears. Thank you all.

A deployable that makes you gamble 20% of your bounties for 0–5% gain, assuming no-one else steals them first. And to invent a reason for it to exist, they've decided to make a flat reduction of all bounties by 5% so there can be a “problem” for this abortion to “solve”.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#223 - 2014-01-16 14:00:48 UTC
I'd really like to see what the per capita income of high and null is. Does the srp of the big alliances count as grunt income? Since their pvp is being subsidized and all. The numbers I've seen mentioned regarding anom and mission income seem a little... off. And the 60mil an hour sounds like the bottom end of the scale, what is it with a carrier? 100mil+ an hour on missions would have to be pro carebears running blinged out boats and getting the best missions. My 200mil bs multiboxing with a noctis certainly didn't make that. Though I'm sure I could get to 100mil+ in a spendy tengu with the noctis. What do anoms get you multiboxing carriers?

250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. Fleets I've been in maxed out at 6-7 min a site in vanguards, though I've heard tales of 4min a site. I would suggest that being lucky and having a skilled enough toon with a blinged enough ship to get into a fleet like that would be akin to getting a good drop in a null ded site. I'll admit my limited experience in null and high pve , though I have done a bit of both. But given null sec is the source of most of the most valuable items and resources in the game, I'm a little dubious on the claim of crappy null income in relation to high sec.

As for interceptors, I can only suggest using disco battleships and your intel network to kill them.

Vagrant, thanks for taking the time to explain your position.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2014-01-16 14:05:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Decian Cor wrote:
I can't believe this *E-peen* measuring contest thread is already 11 pages long.


This is a wakeup call to CCP that Null has been nerfed into the ground and cannot take any more nerfs to income.

There is zero reason to make isk out here now, highsec is simply better.

when you evacuate into high-sec?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Dave Stark
#225 - 2014-01-16 14:09:20 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp.

including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average.
they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#226 - 2014-01-16 14:11:33 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Tippia wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
mate, look the bounties in nullsec are far far higher in nullsec than lowsec or highsec.
I think you may be confusing the difference in bounties between different ships with some assumed difference between sec levels.

The latter does not exist; the former does.


Not sure what your actual point is. The fact is a BS rat bounty in nullsec for example is far higher than in high or nullsec. The sec status is not relevant per say as its relative to how eve works whether in high/low/null. Bounty gets higher the lower the sec level becomes. so in a 1.0 system it will be lower than a 0.5 system relatively speaking but thats still in the high sec band. You would be hard pressed to find a 1.85Mill BS rat in highsec

But i do agree actual anom rats bounties in nullsec is wrong, they should be the same as the belt rat bounties, otherwise why bother. Unless your thinking about getting the juicy BPC or goodies at the end of the DED anomoly which then may balance it out a bit. However normal anoms dont give juicy goodies at the end of it and the bounties are still crap so they should raise them to be the same as the belt rats imo if they want to introduce the ESS


You make 0 isk in warp. A sanctum spawns 40m of isk in the one spot. A good belt spawn is a triple 1.8.

In any case, as has been pointed out ad infinitum in many threads, most of null is flyover country, and has belts that spawn veldspar to hedbergdite and cruisers with the odd double 500k battleship. I have such a system.

Also note that in 634 anomalies completed, its spawned a grand total of 5 faction commanders, and it 100% reliably escalates into hostile space.

Everyone that suggests that we all huddle in the 3 systems in PBLRD Vale that have decent truesec is entirely missing the point (ie that this debate is literally comparing the best 5% of null systems to highsec, not the worst 80%).



so basically you cant be bothered and want everything easy and free? just like the highsec carebears you complain exactly the same about. look you live in nullsec, so why live there if you refuse to use the other 80% then? there you go again thinking about yourself and not everything overall.

You know nullsec alliance are annoying as hell. You want free isk and do nothing for it. You want moon gold. You refuse to rat, you refuse to mine, you refuse to do anything that requires some effort. I bet your ratting those sanctums in carriers as well for minumun effort?


Think if you actually exploited all the resources around you? Large mining fleets, Large ratting fleets, could gain alliances a lot of ISK. But what you do is rent it out, so basically do nothing again for free ISK and allow some other carebears to mine.

You are worse much worse than the highsec carebears.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Notorious Fellon
#227 - 2014-01-16 14:12:10 UTC
I fail to see how the ESS adds "fun". Sure, one could argue that *maybe* it might add opportunity for conflict.

The mechanics seem very bizarre to me. All that just for a 5% loss/gain? No one will use the dumb thing.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#228 - 2014-01-16 14:12:28 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
o.O
I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of.


If you can get past the very poorly written devblog, CCP's cutting nullsec ratter income by a minimum of 5% across the board and attempting to force a really, really, REALLY poorly designed mechanic down peoples' throats. It's so bad neither the defenders or offenders want to use it. That's how wretchedly horrible it is. And the blanket cut with no justification is a load of rotting Icelandic shark shit.

If neither the defenders nor the offenders will use it then whats the problem??
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#229 - 2014-01-16 14:14:14 UTC
Well it sounds like the EA rejects are spooling their filth into EvE and are once again turning a good game into s***. I seriously think they will never stop until either the industry grinds into a crashing halt, or EA's garbage is the only thing available.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#230 - 2014-01-16 14:14:37 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
If neither the defenders nor the offenders will use it then whats the problem??

Then it's just a 5% income nerf for nullsec rank and file that completely lacks and reason or purpose.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#231 - 2014-01-16 14:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
tiberiusric wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Tippia wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
mate, look the bounties in nullsec are far far higher in nullsec than lowsec or highsec.
I think you may be confusing the difference in bounties between different ships with some assumed difference between sec levels.

The latter does not exist; the former does.


Not sure what your actual point is. The fact is a BS rat bounty in nullsec for example is far higher than in high or nullsec. The sec status is not relevant per say as its relative to how eve works whether in high/low/null. Bounty gets higher the lower the sec level becomes. so in a 1.0 system it will be lower than a 0.5 system relatively speaking but thats still in the high sec band. You would be hard pressed to find a 1.85Mill BS rat in highsec

But i do agree actual anom rats bounties in nullsec is wrong, they should be the same as the belt rat bounties, otherwise why bother. Unless your thinking about getting the juicy BPC or goodies at the end of the DED anomoly which then may balance it out a bit. However normal anoms dont give juicy goodies at the end of it and the bounties are still crap so they should raise them to be the same as the belt rats imo if they want to introduce the ESS


You make 0 isk in warp. A sanctum spawns 40m of isk in the one spot. A good belt spawn is a triple 1.8.

In any case, as has been pointed out ad infinitum in many threads, most of null is flyover country, and has belts that spawn veldspar to hedbergdite and cruisers with the odd double 500k battleship. I have such a system.

Also note that in 634 anomalies completed, its spawned a grand total of 5 faction commanders, and it 100% reliably escalates into hostile space.


Everyone that suggests that we all huddle in the 3 systems in PBLRD Vale that have decent truesec is entirely missing the point (ie that this debate is literally comparing the best 5% of null systems to highsec, not the worst 80%).



so basically you cant be bothered and want everything easy and free? just like the highsec carebears you complain exactly the same about. look you live in nullsec, so why live there if you refuse to use the other 80% then? there you go again thinking about yourself and not everything overall.

You know nullsec alliance are annoying as hell. You want free isk and do nothing for it. You want moon gold. You refuse to rat, you refuse to mine, you refuse to do anything that requires some effort. I bet your ratting those sanctums in carriers as well for minumun effort?


Think if you actually exploited all the resources around you? Large mining fleets, Large ratting fleets, could gain alliances a lot of ISK. But what you do is rent it out, so basically do nothing again for free ISK and allow some other carebears to mine.

You are worse much worse than the highsec carebears.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#232 - 2014-01-16 14:15:58 UTC
Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...

Oh the tears...

...
Dave Stark
#233 - 2014-01-16 14:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...

Oh the tears...


people effected by a change comment on said change.

news at 11.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#234 - 2014-01-16 14:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec complains...

Oh the tears...
I think you'll find that is incorrect.

Oh and FYP.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#235 - 2014-01-16 14:21:02 UTC
will it be only sov 0.0 or also npc?

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#236 - 2014-01-16 14:21:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
If neither the defenders nor the offenders will use it then whats the problem??

Then it's just a 5% income nerf for nullsec rank and file that completely lacks and reason or purpose.

Seems to me it has its purpose. CCP hired an economist specifically for this reason.....but let me guess I am sure you know more or better than that person......well of course you do, what was I thinking?
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#237 - 2014-01-16 14:21:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...

Oh the tears...


people affected by a change comment on said change.

news at 11.


I'm just really happy for this for 2 reasons...

Perfect Interceptor Skills...
Still have ALL CFC and extremely deep safe and personal bookmarks, from my 10months in CFC...

Can Rubicon 1.1 come faster please!!!

...
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#238 - 2014-01-16 14:22:33 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
I fail to see how the ESS adds "fun". Sure, one could argue that *maybe* it might add opportunity for conflict.

The mechanics seem very bizarre to me. All that just for a 5% loss/gain? No one will use the dumb thing.


If you dont deploy it in your carebearing system I will. I'll drain your bounties and your tears all with one anchorable structure.

I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack.
Dave Stark
#239 - 2014-01-16 14:22:57 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...

Oh the tears...


people affected by a change comment on said change.

news at 11.


I'm just really happy for this for 2 reasons...

Perfect Interceptor Skills...
Still have ALL CFC and extremely deep safe and personal bookmarks, from my 10months in CFC...

Can Rubicon 1.1 come faster please!!!


considering everyone has pointed out they won't be using these... that won't help you much.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#240 - 2014-01-16 14:26:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
tiberiusric wrote:

so basically you cant be bothered and want everything easy and free? just like the highsec carebears you complain exactly the same about. look you live in nullsec, so why live there if you refuse to use the other 80% then?
Hint: no-one lives in those 80% and it's not that people “refuse” to use them — it's that they're rational enough to figure out that it's a meaningless and wasteful exercise.

Quote:
You know nullsec alliance are annoying as hell. You want free isk and do nothing for it. You want moon gold. You refuse to rat, you refuse to mine, you refuse to do anything that requires some effort.
The reason they're annoying is because you're clueless. They don't want anything for free (or they'd be in highsec); they don't refuse to rat; they don't refuse to mine; they don't shy away from effort…

…if it's actually worth-while. Again, it's not refusal — it's a rational realisation that the ratting and mining is a waste of time and effort because you'd be able to get far more for far less by doing it elsewhere. Stopping for pennies when rushing to earn a $100 is not a particularly good idea.

Quote:
Think if you actually exploited all the resources around you?
Then they'd be far worse off since the resources are not worth going after.

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Seems to me it has its purpose.
What purpose would that be?

Quote:
CCP hired an economist specifically for this reason
“This” referring to what reason, exactly? He's been saying for quite some time now that the influx of ISK isn't a problem, and the dev who proposed this nonsensical piece of tat was very clear about it not being meant to adjust the balance of faucets and sinks, so it can't be that.