EVE General Discussion

So is every L4 mission runner posting their isk/h after LP sales a liar or what? You'd have been arguably correct before the anom nerfs that took vindicator ratting away as a staple. Oh and exploration for complexes is up there too, but it's so heavily contested that it drops below "Worth doing" once you get more than a dozen or so people actively hunting in an entire region.

Honestly the best reason to live in null is the ego and the narrative.

They're forced to do one or the other: lose 5% or gamble 20% against a potential (unlikely) gain of 5%. I say “unlikely” since the purpose of the thing is apparently to reduce the ISK influx. Not that it will achieve that goal, but still.

And if 5% is so meaningless, let's do it across the board. All bounties, incursion payouts, agent rewards, NPC buy orders, reimbursements are reduced by 5%. Reduce the daily ISK influx from 2 trillion to 1.9 rather than the measly reduction to 1.97 they're suggesting… that would more than double the effect and still have plenty of not-particularly-inflationary headroom above the ~1tn ISK daily outflow.

Those resources tend to be on an alliance level rather than on the individual level, which is what's being hit here, and the main virtue of those resources are that they're fairly self-going. In terms of actual income, they're easily outdone by highsec ice mining.

And the weakest non argument yet out of our friendly neighborhood pedant who thinks he's a word smith.

The fights are over moons/rental space and it's not member-level income, it's alliance-level - you don't get the money from it, it goes into the warchest and is used for alliance investments. And yes, risk vs. reward wise hisec is a better investment - it's not a lie.

Dev time would have been better spent on Dust





..and I never thought I'd see that sentence.

I just didn't get the escalation I wanted.

If you're looking for someone to toss the straw man in front of and douse it with water, you have to accept the fact that clarification of an understanding that this is what is happening is entirely possible. On top of that, you have to deal with the fish who not only willingly bite, but who also prove their point (which is utterly pointless).

What would be truly foolish would to be inconsistent.

I think you may be confusing the difference in bounties between different ships with some assumed difference between sec levels.

The latter does not exist; the former does.

Not sure what your actual point is. The fact is a BS rat bounty in nullsec for example is far higher than in high or nullsec. The sec status is not relevant per say as its relative to how eve works whether in high/low/null. Bounty gets higher the lower the sec level becomes. so in a 1.0 system it will be lower than a 0.5 system relatively speaking but thats still in the high sec band. You would be hard pressed to find a 1.85Mill BS rat in highsec

But i do agree actual anom rats bounties in nullsec is wrong, they should be the same as the belt rat bounties, otherwise why bother. Unless your thinking about getting the juicy BPC or goodies at the end of the DED anomoly which then may balance it out a bit. However normal anoms dont give juicy goodies at the end of it and the bounties are still crap so they should raise them to be the same as the belt rats imo if they want to introduce the ESS

you mean that finally new people will be able to get into 0.0 space? And they will not need to kiss asses of scrub lords of all these alliances?

CCP: implement and deploy this module ALREADY! Let open new page of 0.0 history!

Anom rats are exactly the same as belt rats, in fact belt ratting (unless you're cycling spawn to try and spawn an officer or faction rat) is less profitable than blitzing anomalies.

I do believe rat bounties remained mostly unchanged with time and the inflation rendered them worthless. An belt spawn now is not worth as much as a belt spawn several years ago because those few million ISK won't buy you as much anymore.

There's little point to including structures like the ESS unless CCP is planning to make a big reveal of sweeping changes to PvE in 1.1 or very, very soon. I suspect this may be the case because with certain people on the CSM this idea would not really pass without heavy arguing, and it's not being talked about in public due to NDA.

The other deployables are cool, very cool in fact - the promised siphon variants look neat and the dscan disruptor can be used in so many ways. With those features being good, releasing ESS in this state seems like breaking the "if the only thing you have to say is something stupid, don't say anything at all" rule.

If I had to propose a change, it would be having the ESS units be pirate. They would cause "navy" anoms to spawn in the area and shooting the navies would generate pirate LP. I mean, we already have the thematic thing of pirates vs. concord where the latter tried to attack pirate assets in Syndicate and Curse.