Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello CCP & EVE Community,

I'm no where near a game designer but something that I've been thinking about for awhile now and after having look at the differences I've realized there is no REAL way to POS bash in empire. We're spending obscene amounts of hours slowly bashing away. Seeing is how we don't have Dreadnoughts in high-sec nor any other kind of ship that pushes anywhere near the DPS or Volley of a Dread I feel this is very imbalanced.

This way I am looking at it for being unbalanced is when you can do something in less then half the time with A LOT less ships then normally intended well it's broke. There have been corporations in the past that I've seen bring 30-40 Battleships to kill a POS which yeah that's great but when that's what it requires to kill a heavily defended POS in empire that's a bit ridiculous. This doesn't even count if the POS has a ridiculous amount of hardeners which just further increases the EHP even more.

Again I'm by no means a game designer I just feel it's rather unbalanced that it takes a rather decent sized fleet in BS's to reinforce/kill a POS. It can obviously be done with less then 30-40 but it all comes down to how much time you want to spend shooting the damn thing which in most cases is NEVER because they take so long to kill.

Now where as in low sec you can just drop 10-12 dreads or what ever and poof its reinforced and 1 day or what ever later it's dead if not defended.

Discussion Time! xD
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Anyone have some feedback or ideas on how we could make it better & please CCP reply to this thread giving feedback about if you disagree or agree / feedback of some sort?. With the new implementations of "Mobile Structures" I think I recall a screen shot and one of the things was "Mobile Hybrid/Laser/Projectile Turret"

Could these aid against POS's and be controlled to shoot the tower?

I'm deffo not asking for some uber-weapon to come along and obliterate POS's or anything I just want something that helps put everything back in line so that even POS's in Empire have a better chance of being destroyed. People shouldn't have the safety net just cause their POS is in High-Sec.

I'd really love support on this and see what other ideas could be built upon this topic.

Thanks for taking the time to read this thread
~Ammut Irvam

It's the damage difference between how many ships you have to bring to reinforce or destroy the tower compared to the dreads you can bring in low.

I don't want towers to be able to be soloed cause that would break the game then

Edit2: I want it to be more in line with dreads in low or null. It shouldn't require 30-40 battleships or even 20 really I don't think.

Dreads have WAY more dps and volley, WAY better tanks everything.. Dreads damage and EHP can match that of a POS which is good. it was intended to be like that I'm sure.

Where as Battleships are not. Another thing is you need so many Battleships to kill a decently defended POS and how often do you really see 30-40 dudes get on and be like "Aight guys lets get in to our BS's and go bash this POS"... Hell I'd hear people crying over bashing POS's in 0.0 from time to time even with Dreads at our side.

Let dreads and only dreads into highsec, via gates? a Terrible idea yes, the freighter pilots will crap their pods, but those dreads are tasty targets, move like molasses in Siberia and have been hit really hard by adjustments to make them cap/structure only bashers. Sure it can take out a freighter, but is it cost effective?

Dreads would in fact BE the new freighters, target wise. Cap ship, armed to the teeth but unable to hit anything smaller than a cap ship, worth over 1 bill.

Just make siege unusable in highsec, or an offense. Suicide gank hits dread, dread gets worried, goes into siege, concord takes him out. or doesn't and dies to dessies. Laughs either way.

Na, I don't want anything that'd change current mechanics in that sense by allowing a ship where it shouldn't be.

oh but they SHOULD. They only shouldn't have been there when they were effective against everything. carriers still are effective against everything ( well they can target and hit anything with drones), supercaps... no need to go there, but dreads are only for shooting big stuff, so let them into empire. Make POS bashing another, more expensive layer of war. Pay extra to attack another corps infrastructure.

Uhh, why should dreads be allowed in? They're not going to become targets like freighters are, because they're not going to be hauling 20b of expensive gear around. They're ~3b, most of which is the price of the hull. A hull which can and will tank endless amounts of destroyers.

Sure, it'd be funny to see them go down to wardecs, but that'd be the only threat to them (Other than more dreads I guess, but honestly, massed capital brawls in highsec?)

Another thing I wanted to bring up while it's on my mind is well this is EVE Online and in most cases it's always about the numbers... Well this is sorta true for POS's...

You can use dreads/carriers in low and null to attack a POS but you still don't need that much. The argument I am trying to make here is you can use 3-4-5 dreads what ever to attack a tower and be fine.. where as in high sec if your corporation is only like 5-7 dudes and the tower is decently defended well you're ****-outta luck pretty much... there's just not even a "and or but" about it there's nothing you can do really to kill that tower.

At least in low sec you can take your 6-7 man corp and deploy dreads and hope you don't get hot dropped. If you do manage to not get dropped well grats you just reinforced/killed the tower.

I would have to agree really that it is a solution and I could actually see CCP implementing a ship honestly. Look at Mauraders & Bastion mode or Tier 3 BC's using large guns.

There have been a lot of new additions to the game all via new ship or ship roles so I wouldn't be far off from this but idk as long as it was done right and wasn't abused or at least put something in and see how it gets abused and then fix it or fine tune it. but iunno.

I just wish POS bashing was more in line with low or nullsec bash cause atm it's rarely ever done cause of the amount of time it takes and the people as well.

Any decent defended tower in empire is just pretty much gonna forever sit there especially if it has any kind of backup fleet. In low sec you have caps, super caps etc.. the large fleets etc.. a lot of other ways to kill POS's where as in empire it's very little. it's just not the same.

Here's my "solution"...

Ban the ability for people to anchor anything larger than a medium POS in high-sec.


No need to introduce a new ship that has to be balanced against all the other ships in the game, high-sec POS operators can continue to do what they do (they just can't create grossly powerful "deathstars"), and you don't have to worry about capital shenanigans in high-sec (may they never enter high-sec... ever).

This could be best implemented by grandfathering in the old large POSs but preventing any new ones from being anchored.

that's the difference right there. dreads can not go into high sec unless they're really old dreads from way back when a few people built them there, same with carriers. if you want to kill a active pos in high sec you have to work for it, not expect it to be easy. even before dreads and carriers were in the game how do you think pos's were killed then?