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Something need to be done to stop the massacre of missioning ships and minning barges in hisec
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Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-01-11 20:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mojo Joo
A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get...

This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers.

Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.

They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#2 - 2014-01-11 20:20:28 UTC
This thread is going places.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Dave Stark
#3 - 2014-01-11 20:39:27 UTC
i do love a good whine thread full of tears.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-01-11 20:47:10 UTC
So you are megamaks's alt looking for praise and epeen stroking?
Or you really can't search these forums to discover that suicide ganking is not new and mainly only effects stupid people?
or a poor troll?
i don't even know any more these people all look the same to me now.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-01-11 20:57:20 UTC
They kill just to many, to expensive ships to fast and to easy.
Is game breaking to kill so many expensive ships so easy and is very unbalanced to make tens of billions of isk every day without any risk, as long you can use 500k isk ships to kill ships who worth many billions...
Also a big problem is the new broken pro-piracy feature, who provide suicide gankers with a way to instant fix their security status. That make things much worse because they make a lot of money and can afford to buy insignias and fix their security status, then keep going killing at infinitum without becoming flashy.

Zero risk, hundred of billions destroyed in days, tens of billions profit in days... that is broken game mechanic.
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2014-01-11 20:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I refer you to a recent post by CCP Falcon

Do you think he would say such a thing if he thought it was a problem?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-01-11 21:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mojo Joo
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I refer you to a recent post by CCP Falcon

Do you think he would say such a thing if he thought it was a problem?

You quote CCP Falcon like he is speaking God wordsBig smile
When CCP shareholders will slap him over his head because losing customers and real money his words will not worth a dime anymore...
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-11 21:46:51 UTC
I agree, something must be done, I propose ganking the **** out of anyone who makes himself an easy target by not fitting proper tank and/or AFK'ing and/or flying blinged out boats worth billions till they wise up.

I will do my part in this, will you?
Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-01-11 21:52:37 UTC
You cannot tank a ship against tens of destroyers, and don't need to be afk. Actually is nothing you can do if some gankers decide to suicide destroy your faction battleship.
Your idea is just that we all need to fly dirty cheap ships to not be killed in hisec by people who not risk anything in the process? Better think again because that is a silly solution.
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2014-01-11 22:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mojo Joo wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I refer you to a recent post by CCP Falcon

Do you think he would say such a thing if he thought it was a problem?

You quote CCP Falcon like he is speaking God wordsBig smile
When CCP shareholders will slap him over his head because losing customers and real money his words will not worth a dime anymore...


It is not possible to quote as if he was speaking God's words, as there is no God.Shocked

I quoted him because he would know how the game is designed and whether or not people are utilizing the tools given to them as they are intended to be used.

The point is the very thing you are complaining about is by design, internet spaceships are supposed to go boom!

The more things go boom, the healthier the game is. The ones who allow their ships to go boom, should have been protecting their assets better. Nobody is making the players fly ships that are worth enough to gank, that is the victims decision, just like the ganker decided to blow them up. Like it or not it is what the game is about.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-01-11 22:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mojo Joo
Paranoid Loyd wrote:


It is not possible to quote as if he was speaking God's words, as there is no God.Shocked

The point is the very thing you are complaining about is by design, internet spaceships are supposed to go boom!

The more things go boom, the healthier the game is. The ones who allow their ships to go boom, should have been protecting their assets better. Nobody is making the players fly ships that are worth enough to gank, that is the victims decision, just like the ganker decided to blow them up. Like it or not it is what the game is about.


Look on this with a bit more attention: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

All problem is not about some ships going "boom", is about a massacre where they kill anything they choose to kill, no matter of ships, fits, etc. A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks... think at the moment when others will get same way organized... 50-60 of people will be able to eradicate all faction ships, and maybe all missioners and miners from high sec.
Now, in high security systems,is no way to defend because of concord protecting them, thanks to new broken security tags mechanic who make suicide gankers able to keep positive security status, no matter how many ships they gang...
Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2014-01-11 22:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mojo Joo wrote:

Look on this with a bit more attention: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

All problem is not about some ships going "boom", is about a massacre where they kill anything they choose to kill, no matter of ships, fits, etc. A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks... think at the moment when others will get same way organized... 50-60 of people will be able to eradicate all faction ships, and maybe all missioners and miners from high sec.
Now, in high security systems,is no way to defend because of concord protecting them, thanks to new broken security tags mechanic who make suicide gankers able to keep positive security status, no matter how many ships they gang...


I looked at it, it doesn't change my opinion, the weak are preyed upon and the strong survive.

You are delusional if you think 50-60 people could eradicate all of the faction ships, let alone all of the missioners or miners.

If you think it is easy to organize a group of 12 gankers, the scanner(s), and the hauler(s) necessary to pull off ganks, I invite you to give it a try, it is far from easy. One failed gank destroys morale, one or two people not doing the right thing causes the gank to fail, and a multitude of other things can go wrong at any given point in the process.

Because you just noticed this perceived "massacre" does not mean it has not been going on for a long time and again, is part of the game's design.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-01-11 22:45:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mojo Joo
Paranoid Loyd wrote:


I looked at it, it doesn't change my opinion, the weak are preyed upon and the strong survive.


The catch is that against 15-20 destroyers no matter how "weak" or "strong" you are, whatever you do and how well your tank is, your ship will die for sure in flames Big smile
And please pull out of your head that darwinian nonsense who not apply to human race... we are humans and we can use various weapons, so don't matter how weak humans are, can kill anytime any strong one using right tools, is enough just to really want to do that.
You will not be never strong enough to survive a knife stiffed in you back or to poison put in your food by a very skinny women Big smile
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2014-01-11 22:56:09 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:


I looked at it, it doesn't change my opinion, the weak are preyed upon and the strong survive.


The catch is that against 15-20 destroyers no matter how "weak" or "strong" you are, whatever you do and how well you tank it, your ship will die for sure in flames Big smile
And please pull out of your head that darwinian nonsense who not apply to human race... we are humans and we can use various weapons, so don't matter how weak humans are, can kill anytime any strong one using right tools, is enough just to really want to do that.
You will not be never strong enough to survive a knife stiffed in you back or to poison put in your food by a very skinny women Big smile


You are taking my words and turning them into your perceived ignorance. I was not referring to anything physical, as this game does not require any physical strength but strength in the mind.

If you think darwin's observations are non-sense and do not apply to humans then you are going to have a very hard life, both in game and out.

The weak are the ones who think they are safe, or think there is nothing they can do against 15 gankers and just give up.

The strong are the ones who get ganked, figure out why, make adjustments to their strategies and tactics, and execute the changes to the desired effect.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#15 - 2014-01-11 23:03:19 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get...

This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers.

Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.

They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...


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Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-01-11 23:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mojo Joo
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You are taking my words and turning them into your perceived ignorance. I was not referring to anything physical, as this game does not require any physical strength but strength in the mind.

If you think darwin's observations are non-sense and do not apply to humans then you are going to have a very hard life, both in game and out.

The weak are the ones who think they are safe, or think there is nothing they can do against 15 gankers and just give up.

The strong are the ones who get ganked, figure out why, make adjustments to their strategies and tactics, and execute the changes to the desired effect.


Most of people have a hard life because of reasons who are unrelated with their mind strenght.
Also i doubt that CCP will want to throw away all the money who they get from people who will choose to not "adapt" against that orgy of killings.
Many people play and do missions just for the pleasure of getting a nice faction ship, if you decide that is not anymore an option then CCP will need to deal with many unhappy customers.
And i bet that money worth more for a capitalistic corporation with shareholders like CCP, than you empty words about surviving.
In human reality all is about money my friend, absolutely all.
Paranoid Loyd
#17 - 2014-01-12 00:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Mojo Joo wrote:
Most of people have a hard life because of reasons who are unrelated with their mind strenght.
Also i doubt that CCP will want to throw away all the money who they get from people who will choose to not "adapt" against that orgy of killings.
Many people play and do missions just for the pleasure of getting a nice faction ship, if you decide that is not anymore an option then CCP will need to deal with many unhappy customers.
And i bet that money worth more for a capitalistic corporation with shareholders like CCP, than you empty words about surviving.
In human reality all is about money my friend, absolutely all.


We are not friends, do not refer to me as one.

Again, you perceive a problem, CCP obviously does not as they designed the game to be the way that it is and the game has been around for longer than most so they must be doing something right.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-01-12 00:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mojo Joo
Paranoid Loyd wrote:


We are not friends, do not refer to me as one.

Again, you perceive a problem, CCP obviously does not as they designed the game to be the way that it is and the game has been around for longer than most so they must be doing something right.


Is obvious we are not friends... Big smile
All your sickness come from inside you, have something to do with childhood and lack of trust in people. You are compelled to see everything in terms of power and weakness, and most of all, you hate your own weakness...
You just hate people as much you hate yourself. And you know why? Because you will never be so strong as you want to be, and will be always something or someone who you cannot control...
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#19 - 2014-01-12 00:16:20 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
glorious tears



Welcome to EVE.

Working as intended.

If you are too stupid to notice a spike in local, or that suddenly SISTERS COMBAT SCANNER PROBES on d-scan, you deserve to lose your blingy mission boat.

I recommend you discover the joys of mining, or gas harvesting, or planetary interaction.

Of course, you better get a permit, if you plan on doing it in hisec.

TLDR

HTFU, you pansy.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-01-12 00:23:50 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Mojo Joo wrote:
glorious tears



Welcome to EVE.

Working as intended.

If you are too stupid to notice a spike in local, or that suddenly SISTERS COMBAT SCANNER PROBES on d-scan, you deserve to lose your blingy mission boat.

I recommend you discover the joys of mining, or gas harvesting, or planetary interaction.

Of course, you better get a permit, if you plan on doing it in hisec.

TLDR

HTFU, you pansy.


Another one who like to think about himself as being in the top of food chain... Well, you are not, will be always bigger sharks than you in the ocean Twisted
Well, you like it or not, many people stay in high sec because they play this game to relax not to compulsive push d-scan button every second like in low sec... Same thing for miners. You cannot force people to play the game in the way you want.
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