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Got killed real fast.. Well..

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Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#1 - 2014-01-11 03:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kayla Brandewyn
Hi all,

Just a question to help me understand the game and get better surviving.

Recently I jumped into 0.4 space because I bought something there. Noob mistake, I didn't check the status of the system and I auto-piloted and alt-tab to desktop (yes I learnt my lesson and I always check my AP routes now). Next thing I heard an agro warning and I immediately went back in game to find my shields half gone and someone firing away at me. I activated my shield booster and I was about to dock when I couldn't tank the damage. My pod made it into the station.

I undocked in an Ibis when that player was basically camping there to (proudly) destroy my defenceless ship. But what impressed me was his amazing targeting speed. A pod warps fast, but the moment my ship blew I warped to the stargate, he managed to kill my pod (that's so fast!). Well, being human, was upset for a moment. But then hey, it's a game. There's no rule for a 4 year player to not attack a 14 day old player. And I went to dangerous space myself. So I sucked it up and mailed him to get tips because I thought his ship is cool and strong.

He graciously replied and said stuff like "Yeah I'm king (that killed the cool factor).. blah blah.. He tanked Concord fire and had to kill me and run before he gets killed ect.." I asked for more tips and he have yet to reply so here I am in forums.

1. How can he target so fast?
2. I think he's also flying a frigate. How can he tank Concord fire so well and deal damage to me at the same time. I'm aware that I'm obviously weak in contrast to his skills and weapons, but is there anyway I can tank these damages better?
3. Thirdly any tips for getting my pod out faster? I read that pods are h
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#2 - 2014-01-11 04:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Heh, this sounds so much like my first pvp experience. Except I ran into some Goons. I was also surprised by how fast they locked me, so I sent them an email. However, they were nice and gave me tips.

Looks like your attacker was flying an incursus, his loss for the incursus doesn't show any sensor boosting, but he could have been boosted remotely. Also, your inexperience was also a factor no doubt, if you were expecting the lock times to be comparable to a mission.

There are skills that improve your lock speed. But, in general, a pod at least should be able to get away.

Things you could have done different.
1. Go to market options and uncheck lowsec/null so they don't show in the market window. This should help prevent you from buying out there without realizing it.
2. Never autopilot.
3. If in random space...When you start taking fire, if escape is your priority and you are expecting to die, then you want to pick a celestial more-or-less directly ahead of you and start spamming warp-to-zero as your hp gets close to zero. If you are spamming warp then the instant your ship blows up, you should initiate warp and "should" get away.
On the other hand, you had just undocked and found someone camping your station. In this case. ctrl-space to stop the ship. Click on the station and redock. You have a few seconds after undocking that makes you invulnerable. ctrl-space is the only command you can make that does not affect the invul state. You want to ctrl-space because some stations kick you out at top speed and you'll quickly find yourself too far away to re-dock during your invul period.

To answer your questions
1. He has high skills I'm sure, he might have been remote boosted.
2. He was only attacking targets he could expect to beat, and warp out before the guns wore him down. There is no concord in .4-.1 space, just sentry guns.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-11 04:15:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dreadchain
Firstly, I'd like to introduce you to a neat thing called killboards: (OOPS; don't think killboard links are allowed. Google eve-kill along with your name)

You can find your personal kill records in the character sheet as well.

Your aggressor is slightly unusual, as it's an 'incursus' frigate, which is a T1 frigate specialized in active armor tanking. Normally frigates can only tank sentry guns for a brief moment (which are present on all gates and stations in lowsec, 0.4 to 0.1), but the incursus' specialization to armor tanking allows it to stay there for a while longer.

He's using this trait combined with the fast lock time typical to all frigates to catch targets such as yourself as they're coming in. If you haven't trained the skill "Evasive maneuvering" and/or do not have any inertia modifiers fitted (nanofibers or inertia stabilizers), you will often warp too slow to escape from another frigate.

If you're prepared, you will almost never lose your pod in losec/hisec. The trick is to target a stargate, a planet or whatever other static object when you're about to explode, and mash warp repeatedly. This will cause your pod to warp out before anyone has the chance to target it. I recommend having a overview tab which will have good locations to escape to.

www.minerbumping.com

Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#4 - 2014-01-11 04:30:49 UTC
Thanks Iria & Dreadchain for your tips. They are very very helpful.

Cheers!
Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#5 - 2014-01-11 04:34:48 UTC
Wow Killboards are cool.. Feels like I'm embarrassed there. LOL. Motivation to get better. Hahas!
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-01-11 04:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Kayla Brandewyn wrote:
Wow Killboards are cool.. Feels like I'm embarrassed there. LOL. Motivation to get better. Hahas!

don't think too much of killboards. they are a good way to find out if a pilot has combat experience but not much else. for example, one of the best ways to improve your efficiency (ISK destroyed versus ISK lost) is to suicide gank mining ships in highsec. while oftentimes hilarious, it is hardly a measure of how much of a 1337 pvp'er you are.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#7 - 2014-01-11 05:11:29 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Kayla Brandewyn wrote:
Wow Killboards are cool.. Feels like I'm embarrassed there. LOL. Motivation to get better. Hahas!

don't think too much of killboards. they are a good way to find out if a pilot has combat experience but not much else. for example, one of the best ways to improve your efficiency (ISK destroyed versus ISK lost) is to suicide gank mining ships in highsec. while oftentimes hilarious, it is hardly a measure of how much of a 1337 pvp'er you are.


May I ask what's a suicide gank? If I interpret it rightly, it means to kill a miner before Concord takes you down?

Also. if I attack someone and warp away, then warp back will Concord attack me?
Good Apollo BS4
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-01-11 05:24:22 UTC
Kayla Brandewyn wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Kayla Brandewyn wrote:
Wow Killboards are cool.. Feels like I'm embarrassed there. LOL. Motivation to get better. Hahas!

don't think too much of killboards. they are a good way to find out if a pilot has combat experience but not much else. for example, one of the best ways to improve your efficiency (ISK destroyed versus ISK lost) is to suicide gank mining ships in highsec. while oftentimes hilarious, it is hardly a measure of how much of a 1337 pvp'er you are.


May I ask what's a suicide gank? If I interpret it rightly, it means to kill a miner before Concord takes you down?

Also. if I attack someone and warp away, then warp back will Concord attack me?


Concord will getcha no matter what. All high sec ganks are of the suicide flavor, only exception being maybe getting flagged as suspect for like can flipping, then camping a station, gaining limited engagement timer with some one whose flyin a t1 mission cruiser, then blowing em up with your pvp fitted anything.

Tl;dr: If you attack someone for no reason in highsec you lose your ship. Excepting circumstances like I explained above.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2014-01-11 05:26:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
If you attack someone in HS that is not flagged as killable, Concord will destroy your ship. Any attempt to get away from Concord is considered an exploit.

So a suicide gank is any gank that accepts death-by-concord before attacking. This could be a miner, trader, etc. Usually with a potential profit from the dropped loot that is higher than the ship loss. But then again, someone might do it for tears not profit.

Suicide ganks are usually supported by alts in newbie corps who pick up the loot from your wreck as the mains are being shot down.

edits- fixed for clarity.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2014-01-11 05:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Since I have some experience doing this...


- you appear to have been killed in low-sec space (0.4 to 0.1). There is no CONCORD there to avenge you and Station/Stargate guns do not "insta-explode" offenders. They can be tanked by a sufficiently beefy ship (which the Incursus can do with some difficulty).

- always assume that everyone in low-sec is hostile. With no CONCORD around everything is "fair game."

- Sensor Boosters (or a ship applying a Remote Sensor Booster) can allow a ship to target MUCH quicker than normal (with Tech 2 equipment and high skills an Incursus has ~1200 scan resolution... that's Interceptor level targeting speed).

- For the next time you find yourself camped in at a station...
--- undock your ship and DO NOTHING (don't activate your modules or change course in any way). You have a 30 second "invulnerability timer" when you undock...
--- look around... do you see any planets or asteriod belts roughly in line with your ship's course? (we're talking within 5 degrees of so)...
--- if so...
------- dock back up, then undock, and warp to that celestial at range (not 50 or 100... something in between).
------- as soon as you land on grid, quickly warp to your destination. You don't have long before someone follows you).
--- if not...
------- dock back up, right-click your ship, and select "Leave Ship"
------- undock in your pod and warp to the destination gate (barring lag, you pod basically "insta-warps")
------- come back in an hour or so to collect your things.

Or... you can always insure your ship (always choose the highest premium) while in the station, fit for combat, and die gloriously in fire! Then buy a new ship when you wake up in your new clone with ~80% of the ship value you died in.
Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#11 - 2014-01-11 05:40:51 UTC
Appreciate all the help.

I didn't know about the 30 secs undocking "invulnerability timer". I got locked and I panicked and tried to warp.

But when I'm doing nothing, can I stop ship or decrease speed still keeping the invulnerability? Because if my ship gets thrown out at a high speed, I might need to turn back and re-dock..
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#12 - 2014-01-11 05:50:35 UTC
Yes. If you take no other action but ctrl-space. DO NOT decrease speed.
ctrl-space
select station
dock.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#13 - 2014-01-11 06:04:44 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Yes. If you take no other action but ctrl-space. DO NOT decrease speed.
ctrl-space
select station
dock.


Thanks so much :)
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-01-11 06:12:28 UTC
it should also be noted that once you hit the brakes, you become bumpable. i once lost a battleship to a vindicator undocking right after me.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#15 - 2014-01-11 06:41:10 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
2. Never autopilot.

^

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Good Apollo BS4
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-01-11 06:48:07 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
2. Never autopilot.

^


This. Never ever.
Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#17 - 2014-01-11 08:35:13 UTC
Good Apollo BS4 wrote:
Omega Sunset wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
2. Never autopilot.

^


This. Never ever.


Applies to low Sec or all? Because those 16 jumps... ><
Kayla Brandewyn
The Sacrifice.
For Better Crops Next Year
#18 - 2014-01-11 08:37:13 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
it should also be noted that once you hit the brakes, you become bumpable. i once lost a battleship to a vindicator undocking right after me.


And I'll lose my invulnerability after being bumped?
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#19 - 2014-01-11 08:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Kayla Brandewyn wrote:
Good Apollo BS4 wrote:
Omega Sunset wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
2. Never autopilot.

^


This. Never ever.


Applies to low Sec or all? Because those 16 jumps... ><


Ideally never ever. However, if I"m in an NPC corp, flying through HS only in something cheap with an inexpensive cargo, with a tank good enough to discourage casual griefing, I might go ahead and hit autopilot while I run to the bathroom. Usually, coming back to find my ship slow-boating from 30km aggravates me so I swear never to do it again.

But generally, I'll fly a faster ship. The new leopard as a warp speed of 20. It is the ultimate ship for crossing HS.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#20 - 2014-01-11 09:12:29 UTC
Kayla Brandewyn wrote:
Good Apollo BS4 wrote:
Omega Sunset wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
2. Never autopilot.

^


This. Never ever.


Applies to low Sec or all? Because those 16 jumps... ><

me never. In low sec, it's never warp to 0 (warp to safe spots first). In high sec it's never auto. 16 jumps I'll usually cov-ops it there if I can, which for a straight run that far is rare. No where in EVE is safe. Best to not pick up the habit early.

Need to alt+tab? get a cheap tablet? I use a nexus 7. Over ipad since android is a real operating system, runs processes even when it's sleeping unlike ipad which is just a device. Has third party EVE character monitoring apps and market tools etc (can see prices at all major trading hubs). Firefox to load forums and eve-survival etc. I only alt-tab if spinning stations, like now for regular keyboard typing. Otherwise, best to keep your attention close to the monitor when you are undocked.

I am the king... haha, he probably sat there 9hrs in pure boredom waiting for someone to say that to.

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