Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In a smallscale fight like 3x kiting Cruiser vs 3x brawling Cruiser and all brawling Cruiser simultaneous deploying midfight MMJU, that means the kiting Crusier have to kill additional 15k EHP within 70s. Easy task for the kiting ships but if you think about brawling Cruiser in a gang, many of them have RR (e.g. 3x Vexxor setups etc.) and with RR it gets tricky. Scaling that up to 7vs7 with some logis+Rapier, MMJU can be your gtfo chance. I think in that sort of fights it depends a lot on player skill and quick decision making, the outcome can be both ways.
Let me remind you usually not all ships are pointed (lowsec) and in most case the kiting gang gets 1 or 2 kills before the brawling gang warps off or jump back.

The really tricky part and most dangerous part is, if the brawling gang use the MMJU to get in close range. 1x Rapier/Huginn + deploying MMJU and many kiting gangs will **** their pants and gets very careful.
You can expand the scenarios, it gets very difficult for kiting gangs vs brawling gangs with lots of fast tackle. Now the kiting FC has to decide whats the bigger threat the MMJU or the fast tackle, will changing the aligment help and still kill fast tackle, will the brawling FC adapt to the new alignment or not, etc. etc.

All in all 5k EHP with 1min deploy time is ok.

The MSI only blocks scan results that are able to be blocked with the MSI.
Meaning cosmic signatures are still probable from within the MSI.
Edit: Source https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4089954#post4089954

Here's my concern with the Mobile Scan Inhibitor (MSI). Won't it require roamers to bring a prober and an interdiction nullified ship wherever they go to (1) find and then (2) investigate every MSI? How does it help to force solo'ers and small gangers to bring these extra ships along wherever they go? I don't see how the tweaks you just announced help with the fundamental issue. How about making the MSI's into beacons to at least eliminate the need to bring probes wherever you go?

And here's the fundamental issue. The biggest obstacle to fun small-scale fights in Eve is ganks made possible by hiding a fleet's true strength. There are already a lot of ways to spring a trap on someone looking for a gf, do we really need another one? It seems the MSI will help people avoid fights entirely or help them set up ganks, neither of which are good for "fun" PVP.

Put yet another way, what are the envisioned applications of the MSI? To help PVE'ers avoid getting ganked? To help gankers hide until they can safely drop on someone? Or is there potentially a use that will help set up fairer fights?

This was the right move. Now the MSI has a use in hiding a fleet being formed as opposed to yet another obstacle for a risk adverse PvE'er to hide behind. Not that they all cloak/warp when anyone enters local anyways. And the MMJD unit will be cost/time/sized balanced so that kiting based PvP still has a place.


Y'all Hisec/Bears need to check your privilege. Almost every change from beta has made it easier for you to do anything with less risk.

This is already a match up heavily skewed in favor of kiting frigates unless the brawling frigate utterly dictates the terms of the engagement or is specifically fit to kill nano-frigates. The kiting frigate already has over a minute to kill its target. That's an eternity in a frigate duel, even for low dps fits, and if you can't manage to down your fleeing target in 72+ seconds, that seems a reasonably tradeoff for a ship that prioritizes speed and ability to disengage over firepower.

In the meantime, by balancing it around Condor v. Incursus fights, you're making the module utterly worthless for anything featuring more firepower.

That is the problem of any solution of one siz fits all. You cannto have all sizes happy. Only solution is to make deployabled for frig size, cruiser size and battleship size separate.

Yes, this is the main concern with this MSI thing.
And also give even more safety to PVE in low and null (partially rebalanced in the last iteration).

Basically are support tools for farmers and campers gameplay.

However they already coded it and have to release, so we can only hope to control damage.

That will be solved only when local is revamped. Because the opposite is still true. Gang A might have a trap ready, but gang B could ALSO be muc h larger and could be a gang C around even? The things will balance only when the " better engagign with limited losses possibility than not engaging at all or risking being counter escalated by much superior force" is achievable.


Its ahard balnce, but i think might be possible.. but only after super local intel is gone.

All reasons have been explained. Too much EHP and it would make small ships irrelevant.

Need some restrictions to avoid abuse of things like hiding wormhole exits

Restrictign the D-Scan is on the baseline that no specially powerful capability shoudl come without a cost or risk...

Not flawed at all. Previous the jump drive had 45k ehp and took 20 sec to deploy. How a ship that cannot do 780 dps stop other ship from ALWAYS escaping using this damm device? Only option is everyone forget forever disruptors and decide that living inside web range is the only way to have PVP.