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Announcement regarding rewards and prizes to fansites and third-party contributors

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Nanatoa
#1701 - 2013-12-19 11:08:50 UTC
Luckily CCP will come out with a dev blog which will clear everything up "in a few weeks". Now all we have to figure out what number "a few" stands for. It's bigger than 10, we know that by now...

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1702 - 2013-12-20 06:01:02 UTC
CCP,

Come on guys. There are real issues here.

Please, give the community an answer concerning the Somer issues, please.
Kate stark
#1703 - 2013-12-21 00:34:55 UTC
so i filled in this survey the other day for eve online; there wasn't a single question about community rewards on it.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1704 - 2013-12-22 22:09:12 UTC

Still waiting.

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1705 - 2013-12-22 22:24:30 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Luckily CCP will come out with a dev blog which will clear everything up "in a few weeks". Now all we have to figure out what number "a few" stands for. It's bigger than 10, we know that by now...

Soon (tm) ?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1706 - 2013-12-23 01:55:54 UTC
CCP,

Please respond to these Somer issues, please.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1707 - 2013-12-23 09:40:13 UTC
I'm pretty sure the ongoing silence from CCP tells us everything we need to know about their position.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1708 - 2013-12-23 09:52:30 UTC
Guys and gals now come on give CCP a break.

Its hard for them to make a post with 3 words in it.

"we fooked up"

What you have to remember is that somer is player driven and is a huge income earner for EvE.

People spend money on plex then use the isk in somer then buy more plex and put more money into some. If chars actually didnt play somer they wouldnt be there.

The amount of money ccp has generated in some must be hundreds of thousands of pounds. So they will keep this going as long as they can.

End of the day ccp could have shut them down along time ago but wont. They also didnt have to give them the free stuff.

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1709 - 2013-12-24 20:44:51 UTC
Looks like we have to wait until after the holiday season for a, hopeful, responce from CCP.

CCP, please do respond, when you get a chance, hopefully soon, please.

Anyway, to all, Merry Christmas.
Ahlea Corinth
The Corinth Clan
#1710 - 2013-12-24 21:38:12 UTC
As an executive manager at my company, we are faced with a decision each quarter on whether or not to issue bonuses to our staff members. Some things that are taken into consideration:

- Is it financially viable for the enterprise to issue bonuses
- How much of a bonus pool exists if so?
- What are the criteria for staff to receive bonuses?
- Are bonuses discretionary (meaning subjective) or metrics based (objective, same for all) or a combination?

Employees will like it, or not like it, but we do the best we can to be fair and reward those who go far and beyond over what is expected of them and hope that bonuses inspire folks to reach for the stars during the next quarter if they want a larger share.

Now, translate that concept to here. CCP sees tremendous value in the SOMER Blink initiative and rewards it with a bunch of rare issue Scorpions. The folks at SOMER Blink don't need the isk, so to them it's a gesture alone. To CCP it's a tool at their disposal to reward those who go, in their eyes, above and beyond.

So rather than bark at CCP about recognizing what it sees as key contributors, spend your time developing your own initiative and become the next SOMER Blink and you will earn an Ishukone Scorpion too.

In terms of real world $ drawn from the BLINK initiative, it's just like law enforcement. Officers who pull someone over for speeding can choose to give a warning, a ticket, or not pull someone over at all. Discretion. CCP has the same discretion. I believe the EULA (the spirit of it) is to ensure that someone can't distort the game with a real world gain (such as ebay isk sellers). BLINK does not do that, it's strictly wealth transfer of already existing assets as opposed to spawning new assets. It helps the community like any good lottery does. So do books about how better to play the game.

But isk on ebay deflates the economy and the EULA comes into play.

So to round this out, Somer Blink was rewarded for excellence. Good for them. I hope CCP rewards excellence in the future. It is painful to me that CCP is even considering not doing so because others feel entitled to the same rewards, or worse, that the environment should be homogenous and no one should be rewarded for doing great things.

CCP, don't cave to that pressure. Rewards are good and justified in moderation.

-A
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1711 - 2013-12-24 23:18:17 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
I'm pretty sure the ongoing silence from CCP tells us everything we need to know about their position.

You're no fun.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1712 - 2013-12-25 02:33:43 UTC
Just my 2c.
i think many people didn't care about the somer stuff and many somer players are sad their bonuses went.
idc as i don't buy plex with cash.
(i have got prizes from a Somer event)

i do think James 315 and the lead members of minerbumping deserve rewards for the life they brought to high sec.
i don't mine or suicide gank.

don't give stuff to null sec alliances.
i am in a null sec alliance.

I honestly don't care if somer is a scam or if they are legit. they add to the eve experiance. reward them as u will. same with minerbumping, dotlan, iph, skunkworks etc etc.
The detractors are everywhere just be as open as u can and a impartial as you can.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#1713 - 2013-12-26 10:18:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
I'm pretty sure the ongoing silence from CCP tells us everything we need to know about their position.

You're no fun.


In my honest opinnion this will be no fun, but the sad truth...

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.

Bookish
Exodus Development
#1714 - 2013-12-26 11:55:04 UTC
still waiting for a CCP reply.

any reply, even a silly one, is better than this silence.

Dave Stark
#1715 - 2013-12-26 11:58:14 UTC
Bookish wrote:
still waiting for a CCP reply.


good luck with that.
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#1716 - 2013-12-28 06:08:43 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
From SOMER's site:

"GTC Discount With Blink

From now until the end of 2013, receive a 10% discount on 30 and 60-Day timecodes purchased through Blink's link! Just use our link, and use the coupon code "SOMERBLINK" at checkout to receive 10% off every code.

We may have additional announcements about GTC soon, and any codes purchased since the bonus went away on November 7th will receive any future benefits retroactively."

Discount is fine. Other possibilities apparently exist for them, though. This could be interesting.


so somer have made that much isk they can cash out at a lower isk -> $ ratio in order to increase volume of transactions?



There is no RMT in offering a dollar discount on GTC purchases. They are not converting any isk into cash then. They are however, potentially making more money by offering the GTC's at a discount. And ultimately, it is Markee Dragon offering the discount, not Somer, although Somer may be contributing part of their "cut" toward it.

The only question is if CCP mandates a certain retail price for the GTC's in their reseller agreement. If they do, then Markee Dragon would be in violation of this agreement.

Kara Roideater
#1717 - 2013-12-28 11:23:55 UTC
Ahlea Corinth wrote:
As an executive manager at my company, we are faced with a decision each quarter on whether or not to issue bonuses to our staff members. Some things that are taken into consideration:

- Is it financially viable for the enterprise to issue bonuses
- How much of a bonus pool exists if so?
- What are the criteria for staff to receive bonuses?
- Are bonuses discretionary (meaning subjective) or metrics based (objective, same for all) or a combination?

Employees will like it, or not like it, but we do the best we can to be fair and reward those who go far and beyond over what is expected of them and hope that bonuses inspire folks to reach for the stars during the next quarter if they want a larger share.

Now, translate that concept to here. CCP sees tremendous value in the SOMER Blink initiative and rewards it with a bunch of rare issue Scorpions. The folks at SOMER Blink don't need the isk, so to them it's a gesture alone. To CCP it's a tool at their disposal to reward those who go, in their eyes, above and beyond.

So rather than bark at CCP about recognizing what it sees as key contributors, spend your time developing your own initiative and become the next SOMER Blink and you will earn an Ishukone Scorpion too.

In terms of real world $ drawn from the BLINK initiative, it's just like law enforcement. Officers who pull someone over for speeding can choose to give a warning, a ticket, or not pull someone over at all. Discretion. CCP has the same discretion. I believe the EULA (the spirit of it) is to ensure that someone can't distort the game with a real world gain (such as ebay isk sellers). BLINK does not do that, it's strictly wealth transfer of already existing assets as opposed to spawning new assets. It helps the community like any good lottery does. So do books about how better to play the game.

But isk on ebay deflates the economy and the EULA comes into play.

So to round this out, Somer Blink was rewarded for excellence. Good for them. I hope CCP rewards excellence in the future. It is painful to me that CCP is even considering not doing so because others feel entitled to the same rewards, or worse, that the environment should be homogenous and no one should be rewarded for doing great things.

CCP, don't cave to that pressure. Rewards are good and justified in moderation.

-A


A bunch of terrible analogies here. SOMER is not an employee of CCP and comparing the situation to CCP awarding bonuses to employees is ludicrous. SOMER is an ingame entity taking part in a competitive endeavour against all the other ingame entities, with CCP playing the referee. When the referees start favouring one team for their excellence there are significant problems in a competitive game. The reward for excellence in a competitive environment is success in that environment; the introduction of externally granted prizes that not only reward the success which is already meant to be its own reward but also give ingame entitiesa competitive advantage that is unavailable to other players is the equivalent of taking a crap in the sandbox, as one player so eloquently put it.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1718 - 2013-12-28 13:52:57 UTC
This, along with the lack of summer summit minutes for CSM 8, is pretty damn inexcusable.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1719 - 2013-12-28 20:34:49 UTC
Lets see... If I were a game Corp in EVE and I had made a couple of unfortunate calls and found myself in some financial straits i might:
1. Lay off employees at the 'unfortunate calls'.
2. Work at creating a system where other Corps gain $ by driving $ my way.
3. Remind my players that these other corps who are driving $ to me are 'contributing to the community'.
4. Freely reward those other corps with in-game goodies. In-game goodies cost me nothing as compared to marketing swag.
5. Have multiple sales on my product to generate as much extra $ as possible. This works even better if it is done in a timeframe when sales are expected and highly patronized.
6. If all this generates enough to push me back to viable then Great! Process over! Otherwise continue on to 7.
7. Take whatever ISK I have gained in 1-6 and hop a fast Leopard to planet Aruba or some nice place with no extradition treaty.
8. Send one last note to all my snubbed creditors/game players saying:
"This is EVE - Your tears are delicious!"
Brendan Anneto
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#1720 - 2013-12-28 21:05:45 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
I'd like a little more information on the SOMER lottery issue specifically as that was the really immense giveaway here and it's not really well addressed. Specifically, why an in-game business was given such immense prizes as "a fansite" that wound up making them almost certainly literally trillions of isk. It's not really addressed at all in your post: no indication of why SOMER, no indication of what process went on here and why the CSM was never consulted, no indication of what other "fansites" have gotten these sort of things.

It's not just that SOMER got the lottery gifts. It's that they were absolutely stupendously massive. There's also the seperate problem of Navigator officially declaring them Not A Scam.

The IWS issue would not have been nearly as big an issue without that: it's that both happened, and that the lottery gift to SOMER was already absurdly out of line. The IWS issue exacerbated the lottery issue, it wasn't the main problem.


I can probably shed a bit of light on that although Navigator touched on that in his announcement following what was going to be the Gold Magnate event.

Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do.

In the statement we go into who else have gotten the ISWs and also what sort of giveways we usually extend to fansites.

As we said, we agree with you that we went too fast and that's why we need to re-think this whole thing. We need to keep the CSM more involved, their input is invaluable.



But what has SOMER done to enhance the game play for people and give back to the community. Take a look at EVE UNI these people bust them selves teaching newbies how to play the game. They don't take their isk and their goal is to give players experience before they move on into the galaxy. SOMER on the other hand is a FOR profit organisation that the sole purpose is to print isk for the owners. It is not a matter of popularity it is a matter of the worth of the item given and who it was given too, and the manner in which it was given. So don't try pull that trick on us saying that they give items to events and support give aways, Chribba does this as well as countless others. I'm giving you my money to play this game and put food on your tables I don't see my IWS or free Titan

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