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Why not? Unless you're -10 or get a bunch of killright on you, there is nothing can stop you to grind SOE standing and go empire to make more money than null.

You logic fails at that "when one is proposing a nerf, then it's because he can't do it", suggesting that there is none will try to make the game better without being paid. A native view on the life.


ps: I know there are people trolling, but useful words are useful to anyone, not just you, aren't they? lol

Does anybody have fun playing this game...

I like killing EVERY RAT and looting every ship, then salvage the hulls.......

We have been pointing out this imbalance in risk/reward for years now.

Pretty meaningless if you look at it fully.

This will not last.

Look at when the Noctis was released - how much did they sell for in the first few weeks? Then they started dropping in price.

Every time something new and of value comes out, it starts with a steep price tag then drops as the market fills up and fleshes out - while they are still being put up for sale. It's normal to see a spike in value at the start then a drop-off.

We already do.

Simple fact is that its just not worth doing PVE in null for most of us due to the fact that high sec offers the same isk or more for much much less risk and effort.

Hmm. Then maybe i should stop doing Sansha missions with my alt in Stain where i earn much more than navy L4s in hisec..

more effort? Yes..., More risk? yes..., Better rewards? Yes.... i dont see your problem dude. Earning in null is not just about mechanics, its also about your skills and know-hows. ISKies are already there, you just dont know how to milk them. I understand that your coalition dont have nullsec L4s like Stain, but you have moons, you have rental programs, you have upgraded systems etc... But regions should be different with different isk opportunities. And it amazes me that you, as a member of CFC, is calling for isk earning balance in all regions when you were first to be outraged from moon balance in oddysey (as you lost monopole on certain moon goo-s)

We were pushing for the tech nerf for years.

The problem is that there are only a handfull of lvl 4 missions in all of null space and none of them in sov space. The vast bulk of null only have anoms and of them only a handfull of systems are good even after upgrading. The income from even the best of these anom systems provide isk that is on par with high sec level 4s or in the case of incurstions, less. Then on top of this you get the nasty snag that is there is only a limited supply per system at any one time so we get issues when we get over ten people per system. So on the whole, why bother spending trillions upgrading our space when high sec offers the same income for much less risk, effort, cost and an infinite supply?

The problem is that for the past decade null has seen nerf after nerf to its pve income, often with good reason but high sec missions have never been nerfed to keep the balance, they have infact been buffed. Your little honeypot is not the norm for null space.

So we find ourselves making a great chunk of our alliances isk and most of our members find themselves making their own isk outside of our empire...

It begs the question what is the point in owning space if its near useless? Why would a newer allaince want to invade us and build up a systems infrastructure if they can earn the same or more in empire for zero cost and effort?

Well thats the question for you coalition leaders and mainly.....for yourself...

Are you in sov null just to make isk for yourself or are you there to help community and make headlines in various gaming/economic magazines?

You just need a different point of view at sov null. Sov null is like socialism.. You dont earn much as solo, but you earn for community and community rewards you with CTA free ships (capitals included), huge friendly community, you make headlines, you make history of EVE, etc... Hisec and Jita is like pure capitalism.. Solo players are billionaires, but they dont care about community and maybe they dont have as much excitement as you in sov null.

Its just question for yourself.. Do you want make isks or do you want be a part of history and have fun.

Ok so we can end this discussion that sov null needs some kind of buff like community earning activities, which should be much much better that making isks in empire. (like incursions, you cannot make them solo, you need community but they rewards you much more than soloing L4s). So holding even a single sov would be impulse for empire players to fight for sov as an community and not solo..

But i will never support idea that sov-null should have equal or better solo pve isk opportunities as rest of new eden. sov null should be about community earnings and yes it should yield more than making isks with alts in empire..