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Star Citizen v EVE

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#801 - 2013-12-13 15:24:51 UTC
Royaldo wrote:
I know several people who already has throw over a 1k dollar at this.

Over a 1k dollars spent on a game which isnt even out!?!?!?!!

Mind = blown

Goons have thrown over a quarter of a million US dollars at Star Citizen so far, including one who put 11k in himself.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#802 - 2013-12-13 19:16:08 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Royaldo wrote:
I know several people who already has throw over a 1k dollar at this.

Over a 1k dollars spent on a game which isnt even out!?!?!?!!

Mind = blown

Goons have thrown over a quarter of a million US dollars at Star Citizen so far, including one who put 11k in himself.


The most delicious thing that will happen is on SC launch day many many EVE carebears will flock to SC to get away from Goons....The Goons who are waiting on the space station undock in Star Citizen.......

I gotta donate now so i can get into the beta and see that.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#803 - 2013-12-13 19:17:13 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


And yet EVE's still here because the people who predict it's demise don't really understand the complex motivations 10s of thousands of people have to staying with or coming back to EVE online. Funny thing is it's some of it's biggest "I'm quitting" detractors who wind up propping up the game by not being able to leave it for good. EVE doesn't just draw people in, it' makes them it's prison ***** (you think you wanna go home after your sentence (sub) is up, but you keep finding a way to come back LOL).




Not quite, as i've been playing eve since the very start of the game in 2003( so it'll soon be 11 years, time flies), and do take long pauses away to try other games for weeks and even months, during wich time i only log in to check skills and maybe chat with people i know....Long story short, eve has been boring for the last few years and hasn't had any content for the really old vets to aim for, and no, PVP and overall fighting for the same pieces of space over and over again, with many players having joined so many different 0.0 aliances that i lose count, gets repetitive too....



And yet you're still here, exactly proving my point.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#804 - 2013-12-14 01:42:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Royaldo wrote:
I know several people who already has throw over a 1k dollar at this.

Over a 1k dollars spent on a game which isnt even out!?!?!?!!

Mind = blown

Goons have thrown over a quarter of a million US dollars at Star Citizen so far, including one who put 11k in himself.


The most delicious thing that will happen is on SC launch day many many EVE carebears will flock to SC to get away from Goons....The Goons who are waiting on the space station undock in Star Citizen.......

I gotta donate now so i can get into the beta and see that.


I hope you do.

Least before you read up on how PVP mechanics work in Star Citizen.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server

digitalwanderer
DW inc
#805 - 2013-12-14 04:33:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


And yet EVE's still here because the people who predict it's demise don't really understand the complex motivations 10s of thousands of people have to staying with or coming back to EVE online. Funny thing is it's some of it's biggest "I'm quitting" detractors who wind up propping up the game by not being able to leave it for good. EVE doesn't just draw people in, it' makes them it's prison ***** (you think you wanna go home after your sentence (sub) is up, but you keep finding a way to come back LOL).




Not quite, as i've been playing eve since the very start of the game in 2003( so it'll soon be 11 years, time flies), and do take long pauses away to try other games for weeks and even months, during wich time i only log in to check skills and maybe chat with people i know....Long story short, eve has been boring for the last few years and hasn't had any content for the really old vets to aim for, and no, PVP and overall fighting for the same pieces of space over and over again, with many players having joined so many different 0.0 aliances that i lose count, gets repetitive too....



And yet you're still here, exactly proving my point.



Well that's a point that can be open to discussion as in the early years, i was actively playing the game pratically every day of the week, with tons of objectives to hit and the same goes for skills needing to be trained up.....Now that i'm past the halfway mark on total skill points that are able to be trained up, with nearly 200 skills to lvl 5, all the isk i could want, the best possible implants owned and i'm able to fly every single ship in game as all combat ships are fully maxed( yes even all 4 titans), there simply isn't much left for the old farts of the game, and many people i played with back then have long since quit the game.



Since CCP focuses on new players almost exclusively for the last several years and their own database shows that the average player plays the game for 9 months and then quits, and considers the old players as an aquired asset that doesn't need any specifc attention since there here till the bitter end of the game no matter what happends, content for said audience, wich i admit is only a very small portion of the overall player base, has been non existant.



I hate being ignored but that's how the game is and so i only pop in every now and then, and mostly when there's new expansions released where i try out some of the new stuff for a couple of weeks, and then wait for the next expansion and until that point, i just chat with people i know, so the interest in the game is nowhere near what it used to be and has become a chat channel with graphics.



baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#806 - 2013-12-14 06:26:00 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Royaldo wrote:
I know several people who already has throw over a 1k dollar at this.

Over a 1k dollars spent on a game which isnt even out!?!?!?!!

Mind = blown

Goons have thrown over a quarter of a million US dollars at Star Citizen so far, including one who put 11k in himself.


The most delicious thing that will happen is on SC launch day many many EVE carebears will flock to SC to get away from Goons....The Goons who are waiting on the space station undock in Star Citizen.......

I gotta donate now so i can get into the beta and see that.


I hope you do.

Least before you read up on how PVP mechanics work in Star Citizen.


Didn't stop us in STO.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#807 - 2013-12-14 19:57:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Royaldo wrote:
I know several people who already has throw over a 1k dollar at this.

Over a 1k dollars spent on a game which isnt even out!?!?!?!!

Mind = blown

Goons have thrown over a quarter of a million US dollars at Star Citizen so far, including one who put 11k in himself.


The most delicious thing that will happen is on SC launch day many many EVE carebears will flock to SC to get away from Goons....The Goons who are waiting on the space station undock in Star Citizen.......

I gotta donate now so i can get into the beta and see that.


I hope you do.

Least before you read up on how PVP mechanics work in Star Citizen.


Didn't stop us in STO.


Hrm... I don't think spamming chat channels and spraying people with fire extinguishers was worth any note.

Really. Goons were in STO, but it really didn't matter what they did because it could not affect other players.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server

Miss Altiana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#808 - 2013-12-14 21:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Altiana
baltec1 wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Royaldo wrote:
I know several people who already has throw over a 1k dollar at this.

Over a 1k dollars spent on a game which isnt even out!?!?!?!!

Mind = blown

Goons have thrown over a quarter of a million US dollars at Star Citizen so far, including one who put 11k in himself.


The most delicious thing that will happen is on SC launch day many many EVE carebears will flock to SC to get away from Goons....The Goons who are waiting on the space station undock in Star Citizen.......

I gotta donate now so i can get into the beta and see that.


I hope you do.

Least before you read up on how PVP mechanics work in Star Citizen.


Didn't stop us in STO.


Im sure youll try... but as devs in SC stated

-"Chris is very against forcing people not to be able to PVP artificially and thinks we can balance the game in such a way that it’s not an issue. Beyond that which we’ve already said, I’m not sure what else we could add to mollify folks… it’s going to be one of those “trust us and we’ll fix it if we screw up” things. - Ben Lesnic, Community Manager."

so ya, im sure you will do some things in the grey zones, people will get upset... and devs will fix it ! ;P ... SC is a PVE game firstly.

PS, and thank you for supporting SC
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#809 - 2013-12-15 11:36:53 UTC
Oh I'm certain without raw PvP, certain individuals will find a way to make the lives of SC players painful. After all, initially in EVE Goonswarm was an organization that had rules. Hell, they even disallowed scamming and wanted to have a good reputation.

They became what you see today through being declared the cancer of New Eden. Anyone who shuns them when they come will be responsible for what will they do unto the world when they settle in.

The only way to stop the "griefing" is to disable player impact upon the world - and I'm not sure if CR is willing to do that.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#810 - 2013-12-17 21:22:57 UTC
Well, here it is, the first ""crisis"".

On a "letter from the Chairman" issued today, Chris Roberts has announced the decission to delay the delivery of the dogfight module until it can be built on the backend networking of Star Citizen, rather than try to rush it using CryEngine's networking. This means a couple months at least.

The letter is long and detailed, and certainly the man is threading carefully.

But it is OK, these are no big news to anyone who's been following the development as the issue has been introduced previously and everyone should knew how this decission was on the making, and that it is the right way to go.

As a treat, the team will stream a demo flight with what's done of the module, on friday 20th.

BTW:
Quote:
(...)
I feel that the Dogfighting module, especially with Star Citizen’s greatly increased profile, needs to be more polished than a typical “alpha”. There are a lot of eyes on the game, and more than a few people wanting us to fail. Because Dogfighting is the first module that will involve significant gameplay, it has to be good – I don’t feel that we will get a pass just because it is pre-pre alpha.
(...)


You mean it, Chris? Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Tanesha Kring
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#811 - 2013-12-18 08:29:24 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Oh I'm certain without raw PvP, certain individuals will find a way to make the lives of SC players painful. After all, initially in EVE Goonswarm was an organization that had rules. Hell, they even disallowed scamming and wanted to have a good reputation.

They became what you see today through being declared the cancer of New Eden. Anyone who shuns them when they come will be responsible for what will they do unto the world when they settle in.

The only way to stop the "griefing" is to disable player impact upon the world - and I'm not sure if CR is willing to do that.


I don't think it's that simple. CR's seems to be all about immersion and emergence. I would take it for granted that if it's actually "griefing" it will be dealt with, but if we are talking piracy, politics and graft it will likely not be restricted beyond the game mechanics.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#812 - 2013-12-18 09:39:03 UTC
CCP already bans griefing and player harassment. They like emergent gameplay, too - they love it, it's the crazy schemes of players that earn them publicity.

Many who already declare that they'll run from EVE to Star Citizen have trouble distinguishing between emergent gameplay and griefing. Suicide ganking for profit isn't griefing, neither are hisec wardecs, theft and many other ways to earn money at the cost of someone else. They will likely scream about it and he'll either have to face rage/disappointment or start nerfing the precious 'emergent gameplay' (have a look at EVE's forums from time to time, now multiply the whining by the amount of people who were ~promised~ greener, safer pastures.)

As for immersion - well, let's see if he can duplicate the whole "I was there" thing.

Also, I will laugh if CR - despite the delay - will shout "Donate donate more. We're delayed yes but give us more money!" - I won't really mention the lack of planning the entire situation shows, the fact SC had to have its own netcode was pretty obvious from the get go and it sounds more like an excuse as to why it's not ready.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#813 - 2013-12-18 14:21:05 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
CCP already bans griefing and player harassment. They like emergent gameplay, too - they love it, it's the crazy schemes of players that earn them publicity.

Many who already declare that they'll run from EVE to Star Citizen have trouble distinguishing between emergent gameplay and griefing. Suicide ganking for profit isn't griefing, neither are hisec wardecs, theft and many other ways to earn money at the cost of someone else. They will likely scream about it and he'll either have to face rage/disappointment or start nerfing the precious 'emergent gameplay' (have a look at EVE's forums from time to time, now multiply the whining by the amount of people who were ~promised~ greener, safer pastures.)

As for immersion - well, let's see if he can duplicate the whole "I was there" thing.

Also, I will laugh if CR - despite the delay - will shout "Donate donate more. We're delayed yes but give us more money!" - I won't really mention the lack of planning the entire situation shows, the fact SC had to have its own netcode was pretty obvious from the get go and it sounds more like an excuse as to why it's not ready.


It's amazing how you haven't got a single line of what you haven't read and yet can squeeze worthless nonsense out of it. Shocked

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#814 - 2013-12-18 15:06:49 UTC
What is there to get.

CR promised, CR announced a delay, a lot of people are saying "called it" and betting on even more delays - and not just in ~that one feature~ department.

Plus, saying "lol dogfighting module is delayed" and then casually adding improvements to the useless hangar is so totally not CCP circa Incarna expansion. Grand vision, big talk, all **** and no balls.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
#815 - 2013-12-18 19:34:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'iel Zehn
The only way Star Citizen will have a real impact on the core player community of EvE is if SC PvP is just as brutal. If not... sure people will go play it... but they will always come back to the gritty, painful, agonizing destruction of EvE Online.

Looking at what SC has in mind... space ships,dog fighting, first person, walking on planets etc etc... I am definitely interested in the new game. I hope the stars and planets move through the galaxy too. Among other things.

SC could be amazing and brilliant... or it could turn out to be stupid like STO and SWTOR. Are there any other space MMOs out there worth mentioning?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#816 - 2013-12-18 20:15:27 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Royaldo wrote:
I know several people who already has throw over a 1k dollar at this.

Over a 1k dollars spent on a game which isnt even out!?!?!?!!

Mind = blown

Goons have thrown over a quarter of a million US dollars at Star Citizen so far, including one who put 11k in himself.


The most delicious thing that will happen is on SC launch day many many EVE carebears will flock to SC to get away from Goons....The Goons who are waiting on the space station undock in Star Citizen.......

I gotta donate now so i can get into the beta and see that.


I hope you do.

Least before you read up on how PVP mechanics work in Star Citizen.


Oh, I know all about the sldier. I also know about Goons and have watched the Star Fleet Dental videos a few times lol.

Gonna be fun to watch. No game design can trump human ingenuity.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#817 - 2013-12-22 02:46:03 UTC
Now they are selling virtual fish for $1 and aquariums for $5. It turns out avatar gameplay is easy to monetize when devs actually work and don't ask permission from players to do so.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#818 - 2013-12-22 06:27:17 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Hrm... I don't think spamming chat channels and spraying people with fire extinguishers was worth any note.

Really. Goons were in STO, but it really didn't matter what they did because it could not affect other players.


We found a way to trap people on our ships bridges, effectively turning them into a prison. We also found a way to suicide gank people. And then there was the pink lasers, the star wars role playing...

mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#819 - 2013-12-22 06:29:37 UTC
https://keepflying.com/ Big smileBig smile

i want a eve pinball machine...  confirming  CCP Cognac is best cognac

digitalwanderer
DW inc
#820 - 2013-12-22 18:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
I think we're heading for quite the show with the dogfighting module release:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qRNYF12Us4



Pay close attention to the ship UI using holograms and the damage model being used where one can litterally tear the ship apart piece by piece with weapons, as well as the lighting work done on cockpits.....Makes EVE look dated in some respects to be quite honest...