EVE General Discussion

This. I like the neutrals/pirates that occupy FW plexes. They are looking for the same thing I am (minus the LP/WZ control)

True that

They will still be able to farm, Timer Rollbacks will just dent em a little bit, not put them out of business. Also, plenty of PVP is to be had grinding plexes, if mains had to do more of it there would be even more plex fighting in 1 v 1 or small gang.

Also, I assume your signature is because you are a farming alt?

There is also the issue of sec loss with regards to neutrals .. perhaps it is time to ask for plex grids to be treated as null space, complete with ability to bubble so that one can kill whomever one choses with no ill effects other than possible hatred

Interesting.

When Caldari had to deal with the Gallente stabbed/cloaked farmers earlier in the year we were told 'working as intended - HTFU'. You had no problem with it when these farmers were on your side.

We would have slightly less farmers at the moment than the Gals had during their wz push.
I do not see many Amarr in our region at teh moment.
However when the Gallente pushed they had every cloaky stabby Minmatar in eve helping them. Once again - they had no issue with FW mechanics during this time.


I am not saying there is no issue or HTFU.
I personally believe that plex gates should restrict all ships with cloaks and stabs just as they restrict oversized ships.
This is a true fix.

Timer roll backs will result in a stagnant warzone. It's a good idea in theory but in practice will result in the same amount of farming.
The difference is that dplexs will be the most farmed which will cause the stagnation.


Dplexing will be a matter of chase wt. Write down how long till the plex finishes rolling back. Dock. Go back when timer has rolled back and finish the plex.
Just another form of risk free farming that also makes home systems 100% safe by reducing the time investment (by up to 1/2) required to defend it.

I once liked the idea of bubbled plexes - (the plex button having a 30km bubble around it).
The problem is that it gives kitey fast ships a massive advantage.
'Oh I dropped point with my Hookbill' - 'Doesn't matter the bubble will keep them there till I get it back'

Overheated point + Claymore links + Hookbill = Fly around the bubble able to warp out at will while the target is 100% screwed and cant escape even if I derp my point.

I supported Timer Rollbacks when we pushed to Tier3 and I support them now.

Deplexing will absolutely not be reduced to chasing the WT docking and deplexxing at the appropriate time. Maybe that would be the case with a reset but the only thing the timer rollback would do that doesn't occur now is that the plex would slowly drift back to neutral while the person cloaked or bounced. It would only really cause said individual to have some urgency in restarting the timer or conclude that it is better to move to another plex or area. Anyone who has actually dealt with these farmers on a frequent basis knows that even when the plexes are rolled back to 39 minutes, the afk farmers will still decloak and run that full 39 minutes if allowed. This isn't speculation, this happens all the time.

Regarding FW now being way more relevant than 2 years ago, no one is saying it isn't. What they are saying is that there is still a flaw in the current system as well. Timer rollbacks wouldn't break the dynamic of plexxing as it is today but it would make it a bit more challenging for individuals looking for nothing more than the afk ISK. The availability of it would still be there for new.militia members and even the farming crowd wouldn't be put out that greatly. Many of us depend on our FW income for our ability to PvP. This isn't asking for a one sided fix, we would have to adjust to it as well, and so far

Can you elaborate on why you think it would cause the warzone to stagnate?

Can you suggest another way to deal with people who whose tactics that force you to waste more time than they invested? In other words, the root of our argument is that a plex farmer that runs a plex and then does one of two things when you try and defend.

1) Cloak up and play the waiting game. Odds are good that you will have to invest up to 2 times the amount of time they did to close the plex. Farmer wins because they waste up to 20 minutes of their time for 10 minutes of their time. Plus they can easily multibox with disposable alts.

2) They warp to another plex. This forces the defender to either stay in the plex to defend it while the farmer can capture 1-2 plexes somewhere else in the same time period. If the defender chases, the farmer can just bounce back to the first plex and continue to run it with no invested time lost. This can be repeated until the defender either gives up or brings another 2-3 characters to be able to run all the plexes in the system.

In other words, I think the farmer should slowly lose time disproportionately to the defender on plexes where they refuse to fight instead of the other way around. This should be a slow loss to give the farmer time to mount a strategic withdrawal and mount a new attack if they are actually not a pure farmer without losing all their invested time if they can counter attack fast enough.

Nope I based it comments people posted. Like I said go back and read.



So why is FW systems flipping control ruining your fun? You realize that's what FW is, right? And whatever side has the numbers will have the advantage, right? I mean... you're crying for CCP to effect change when it's an issue entirely in the hands of the players.



Yeah. Well the factions were never meant to be balanced. That's up to the players. And what will you whine to CCP about when they "fix" the issue - and it's still imbalanced and one side has an advantage over the other? Acceleration gates on iHubs so caps can't be dropped? I mean really. RIght now GalMil is QQcatting cuz TEST joined the Caldari.

FW is dynamic. Caldari have the advantage today, tomorrow it will be the Gallente. Amarr had the advantage when FWEDDIT and other groups joined - now Minmatar call the shots. That's FW.



You're asking CCP "pls nerf something player driven cuz other players are not playing fair."



Everyone who used plexes would be affected. Even those who run it for WZ control.