EVE General Discussion

Just to tell a little story myself relative to the matter, earlier today i opened up a medium plex in nenna,me beeing cal mil it was offensive plexing. For all the right reasons of fw i was hoping to get a good fight but if none came i was happy to get the lp. In the course of 15 out of the 20 minutes i was visited frequently by 3 other cal mil guys from the npc miltia corp in t1 frigs. Around 3 mins left on the plex they suddenly left , i was not looking at d-scan, only to see seconds later a gal mil punisher and fed navy comet came in(i was in a comet aswell) and because i wasnt watching d-scan i got tackled,somehow i managed to pull a win by fending of the comet and close orbit kiling the punisher after. And quickly after that my 3 " buddies" came back right before plex was done... Yey for pro cal mil ( leachers )...

Conclusion, because the curent plex mechanics is so bad it has given birth to these types of players ( whom i can easly assume they had stabs ). God knows if the standing hit was not affecting my corp from beeing booted and looking bad id be shooting npc miltia blues all day long because that is what they deserve!

You wanna join fw to make isk?,fine by me but go run missions damnit.
You wanna join fw to make isk BUT also care to defend your plex or help take systems? Great! Lemme throw out the red carpet you ar more then welcomed to share my plex!

We need a change!

GalMIl pilot here, sitting in Eha where we don't have to deal with solo stabbed cloaked farming alts much. 40 man CalMil plexing fleets are more the order of the day.

I am of the opinion that if you want to claim space, especially in FW, you have to work for it. If you want to keep a system at a low contested percentage, that means you do the scut work of sitting in a plex for a godawful amount of time for minimal reward. The LP / implied isk payout for offensive plexing is deliberately much higher than for defensive plexing, and for good reason - without that skew there'd be little reason to offensive plex. The increased reward and inconvenience wouldn't be worth it.

So yes - you want to keep your home, work for it. Spend the time chasing out the farmers, patrol the plexes, run the timers down. There's no room (IMO) for nullbear AFK "we've planted our flag and don't wanna work for it" types of control in FW. I *LIKE* the fact that the systems you control in FW are a fairly direct reflection of how much effort you're willing to put in patrolling and defending them.

I do agree that the time burden of having to undo all their work skews things way out of whack, especially when combined with the relative rewards. Having to spend 29 minutes to undo 14 minutes of work (or 39 for 19) is just brutal. You're forced to spend up to twice the time for 1/2 or less of the rewards - or an even larger disparity depending on comparative Tiers.

I don't care about stabbed and cloaked alts - I've learned they make no difference to the control of any system that's actively patrolled by either side. They don't impact our offensives when we decide to take a system, and they don't impact the control of a system that's actively defended. They are a non-issue in those cases.

Where they do impact control is in pushing backwater systems, which pushes tier / warzone control, which brings the bandwagon brigades out. Which, as another commenter has noted, has far more to do with relative numbers than anything else. And again, even those hordes can't take defended systems - not without thousands and thousands of ships sacrificed to the Wreck Gods.

So... if there's any change, I think that independent timers should be it. That allows a pilot to push out a farmer - or take it from a dedicated defender, either way - and not have to put in extra time just to undo the time the other guy put in. In that case, I'd also propose and support increasing the time required to cap a plex - or make the defensive timer shorter than the offensive one.

In any case, dual timers or timer rollbacks will significantly increase the difficulty of taking defended systems. Something to keep in mind.

If the status quo continues FW will disapear and be relegated to generating isk and producing faction ships/mods

Hard to get into the "Warzone" when I have to defend my home against farmers with almost all of my Eve time. Therein lies the issue. Can't fight the war because we are fighting the farmers who don't care about FW beyond transferring isk to another character.

And yes, I agree that TEST does bring fights. I do appreciate that when I can engage.

Not when you are spending hours deplexing/constant chasing of AFK/bot/cloaky/stabbed farmers. They have literally zero risk and full time rewards.

I care about engaging in PvP and WZ control. A couple hours of PvP followed by endless hours of undoing the work of farmers without PvP is not very entertaining.

People play games for various reason, entertainment being one of the biggest. If it is not fun long enough for enough people that aspect of the game dies. That is all we are saying in this thread. We want to see FW survive and thrive as a place of combat and war as it was intended and as many of us joined it and to a certain degree started playing Eve for.

For that to happen is has to be enjoyable entertainment. The current mechanics do not make for enjoyable entertainment when they are being abused by such a large number of Eve players for purposes other than generating warfare content.

Yeah that sucks. When I started PvPing, I used to mine for endless hours in order to PvP for only a couple. That wasn't very entertaining, either. But then I joined FW and, luckily, there is a mechanic in place where I can PvE for 1 hour and PvP for 4.



Well like the people in BU always tell me "If something in EVE bores you, even EVE itself, don't do it. EVE is only a job if you make it so."

Speaking of which: It sounds like FW is only a chore because you've made it on - IE, basing in LowSec. I know that's the "cool, hardcore militia" thing to do - but if WZ control is putting a cramp on your style, there are many HiSec systems resting on the periphery of the WZ that you could base out of.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Preventing cloak activation in a complex means that you can't ambush button-spinners by camping out in the complex with a cloaked Astero. What a mean-spirited suggestion!

Rebalancing WCS is just pandering to gate campers who can't catch anything because all their prey has learned tactics for avoiding gate camps. You'll note that the blog post linked in the OP puts scare quotes around "legitimate" when discussing use of WCS, clearly exposing this lame request to buff gate camps for what it is.

Of these ideas, the one that makes the most sense to me is the ability to defend a complex by rolling back the timer when friendlies are on field, with a very slow rollback natively when the complex is uninhabited.

Buffing NPCs isn't a bad idea, but isn't FW supposed to be about PvP? Put the tools in place to provide the defenders with a decent counter to cowardly multi-stabbed button spinners. Give the defenders a reason to defend their complexes.

Im just curious..because it seems to me that,at this point there are alot of people that continue to ram heads in opposition of our request..so its pretty clear that either we trully are wrong and exagerating over this,or we are right but the people fight us in order to preserve this little isk faucet like crazed madmen..

Either way, im just curious if someone from ccp will ever bother to just come up and tell us, fw dudes we have no plan to fix the plexes at all so you are stuck with it,HTFU !!...... Atleast then we'd know and would stop fighting ..for possibly nothing.

im sorry but ..maybe 1% of fw dudes use cloack and stabs for the reason you listed...i can assure you that most of them who use cloack and stabs are well aware of the mechanics and therefor are abusing them to make isk